Putting the "oh no" into obikes
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Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Cheesewheel » Wed May 30, 2018 11:04 pm
The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:
Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby queequeg » Thu May 31, 2018 12:02 am
Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked carsCheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 4zied.html
The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:
Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 7:14 am
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 9:20 am
Cops mostly specialise in victim blaming these days.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Cheesewheel » Thu May 31, 2018 9:49 am
Is this but a precursor for a national crackdown on wheelibins and shopping trolleys?Daus wrote:Yes let's put the responsibility not into the hands of the offenders but the service provider.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 10:18 am
You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?Jmuzz wrote:Meanwhile zero police and council effort to catch the actual vandals.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 11:02 am
What have police done about it over the last two years?Calvin27 wrote: You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?
Besides fine legitimate customers without helmets or on footpath.
Tens of millions in vandalism and theft but they ignore it. Vandalism and theft apparently some other government departments responsibility these days?
State government is state government regardless of how they try to pass the buck through 20 different departments.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 11:52 am
Great stuff but your original line was:Jmuzz wrote:What have police done about it over the last two years?Calvin27 wrote: You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?
Besides fine legitimate customers without helmets or on footpath.
Tens of millions in vandalism and theft but they ignore it. Vandalism and theft apparently some other government departments responsibility these days?
State government is state government regardless of how they try to pass the buck through 20 different departments.
Maybe they could have done more, but the cops haven't exactly blamed the victims here.Jmuzz wrote:Cops mostly specialise in victim blaming these days.
i can see you love bashing government. Keep at it buddy!
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby human909 » Thu May 31, 2018 12:32 pm
How much litter is from cigarette butts and single use drink containers? Should these companies be treated in the same way?
I actually do agree that obike should be a responsible citizen and better manage its fleet. But the EPA action is absurd. 'Bird' is a company that has a scooter share system. It utilizes and pays the general public to recover their scooters and recharge them.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Nate » Thu May 31, 2018 12:55 pm
The footpaths/space are public areas, with these - there's now a company making money from these areas & taking them away from public use.
I'd suggest something similar to the share car things - designated parking bays & areas where they need to be left so as to not cause a nuisance. Smaller areas to patrol/police & easier to manage.
Pretty much exactly the same way the Boris bikes are in London
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Calvin27 » Thu May 31, 2018 3:15 pm
I agree 100%. Just wasn't sure where the police hate came from the other poster.human909 wrote:Put it another way....
How much litter is from cigarette butts and single use drink containers? Should these companies be treated in the same way?
I actually do agree that obike should be a responsible citizen and better manage its fleet. But the EPA action is absurd. 'Bird' is a company that has a scooter share system. It utilizes and pays the general public to recover their scooters and recharge them.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby fat and old » Thu May 31, 2018 4:29 pm
How come MacDonalds isn't fined for all of the rubbish that their patrons leave around? Phillip Morris for the butts everywhere? Amatil for the plastic coke bottles?Calvin27 wrote:You realise his is the EPA, not the police force policy right?Jmuzz wrote:Meanwhile zero police and council effort to catch the actual vandals.
I smell the RACV behind this (in Vic, anyway).
Edit...should have read down H909 has this covered...
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby g-boaf » Thu May 31, 2018 8:04 pm
Or large boats parked on narrow streets. (one of my hates).queequeg wrote:Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked carsCheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 4zied.html
The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:
Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Thu May 31, 2018 9:30 pm
This council has enacted rules which at least limit them to residents curb or 28 day block movement.g-boaf wrote: Or large boats parked on narrow streets. (one of my hates).
http://www.sutherlandshire.nsw.gov.au/R ... t-Trailers
They were going to be much stricter but caved to residents pressure that their $200 a year trailer rego should buy them virtual ownership of 10sqm of real-estate and expensive paved road as boat storage yard.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Calvin27 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:26 am
McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.fat and old wrote: How come MacDonalds isn't fined for all of the rubbish that their patrons leave around? Phillip Morris for the butts everywhere? Amatil for the plastic coke bottles?
They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:35 am
What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?Calvin27 wrote: McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.
If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby human909 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:39 am
Lets see: "At the end of the ride, just park the bike in a designated public bike-parking area and lock it using the app."Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.
They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".
In what way is Obikes encouraging vandalism and littering?
Other great examples.Jmuzz wrote:What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?
If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?
IMO there is an issue with share bikes that needs to be managed. Sure the blame does rest on on those littering and vandalising but simply pointing fingers of blame doesn't solve the problem. Share bike operators need to come to the party in improving things but so do councils and law enforcement. Start a string of serious car vandalism in the street and the police treat it as a serious issue and the medial reports it as such. Do the same to bikes and it becomes a competition of who can do better and all you get is silence from councils and the police.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Calvin27 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:54 pm
If McDonalds had milk crates littered all over the streets, in rivers, blocking trains and in trees, then yes, you would expect EPA to step in and have a word to them about it. But they don't ad the problem is hardly the same scale or systematic. They would probably have to demonstrate some sort of plan to combat the problem even if they were not at fault. However it appears from the information that the obike company has been far from receptive to consultation from EPA.Jmuzz wrote:What about milk crates, bread trays, premium pallets which are leased?Calvin27 wrote: McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.
If someone smashes them and dumps in river should the owner be fined for not getting salvage divers in at their own cost over the weekend?
I didn't say they were encouraging vandalism or littering. Just highlighting that their policy is pretty ambiguous. Both the statement I provided and that you have are on the obike website, but they do in fact contradict each other.human909 wrote:Lets see: "At the end of the ride, just park the bike in a designated public bike-parking area and lock it using the app."Calvin27 wrote:McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.
They also do not have statements like 'Users can simply rent, or return a bike whenever, wherever ".
In what way is Obikes encouraging vandalism and littering?
I get we are all cyclists here and keen to back anything bicycle related. But the obike thing has had quit a negative impact for the whole cycling scene imo. diverted attention away from more pressing issues and wasted a lot of political capital that could be better deployed elsewhere.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:10 pm
Require customers to lock to a pole or tree.
That way they can't be moved by non customers (easily. App could allow a free 2 minute unlock for people to reposition) or fall over. Plus customers who leave them at inappropriate location (blocking path, in a cluster) have no excuse that someone else has moved it so they can be the one fined.
It would probably be good council/state policy to require all unattended public area bikes to be locked to a pole for future bike parking management. That way there aren't knocked over bikes everywhere in future as they get more popular and it provides some parking management to keep them out of the middle of footpaths.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:27 pm
They comply with the current laws.
It's not customers who vandalize them it is just people picking them up. The same scumbgs will steal a private bike or kick it's spokes in given the chance.
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby fat and old » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:49 pm
No. You don't get silence. Councils and state gov work together to impose fines on the owners. The publicise it. They bleat on all forms of media about the "issue".human909 wrote:Start a string of serious car vandalism in the street and the police treat it as a serious issue and the medial reports it as such. Do the same to bikes and it becomes a competition of who can do better and all you get is silence from councils and the police.
I hear no silence
That's a fair point actually. Yeah, I'll concede that. They as a group even encourage good behaviour from their customers.McDonalds, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola Amatil do not own the packaging after point of sale.
I'm convinced. Step on O-Bike!!!
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Re: Putting the "oh no" into obikes
Postby mikesbytes » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:34 pm
Under equivalence the fine for the car should also be $3000queequeg wrote:Now we just need to apply the same rules to parked carsCheesewheel wrote:https://amp.smh.com.au/national/victori ... 4zied.html
The new rules for oBike, which will come into effect on June 5, include:
Two hours to remove a bike creating a hazard
24 hours to remove both damaged and vandalised bikes
24 hours to remove a cluster or group of bikes
48 hours to remove a bike if it is stuck up a tree or on a roof
Seven days to remove a bike if it's in a waterway
If bikes aren't collected in these time frames , the company will be fined $3000 per bike.
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