on-bike navigation options
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on-bike navigation options
Postby jules21 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:54 pm
I broke my Garmin 510, which had breadcrumb navigation. This was pretty useful actually, so I might replace it.
In the meantime, I'm relying on my smartphone. This is proving less than satisfying. I am using Google Maps, which is very annoying:
a. I build maps in Google's MyMaps function (google.com/mymaps), which is good.
b. I am not only navigating regional routes, but primarily I am navigating city routes - i.e. finding a safe route through urban areas.
c. I am navigating with Google Maps, into which you can upload your MyMaps route.
Unfortunately, Google Maps is balls. The reason starts and ends with - it won't adhere to waypoints. So if you put in a 100km loop with 20 waypoints, Google Maps will ignore the way points and navigate you to the finish - using my example of a loop: "You have arrived". I haven't even started yet!
Are there any other non-subscription Android apps. into which you can program a route with waypoints, and which adheres to the route you've planned? i.e. navigates a route between each waypoint
The solution I've got with Google Maps is to navigate between interim waypoints, i.e. split your journey into numerous journeys, forcing it to take you from waypoint to waypoint. But in the city, this means pulling over every few minutes and programming in the next 'journey', which is balls.
Any ideas?
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby familyguy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:29 pm
https://maps.me/download/
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby LateStarter » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:33 pm
A recent (more expensive) 520 Plus is also available that has lots more free space and more on-device navigation routing but I don't need this.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby g-boaf » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:22 pm
A Garmin 520 might work. However, the 520 doesn't have touch screen and that is very irritating for me. Also I find the screen very difficult to read in strong light with the fairly flat angle it sits at on my bike. The whole display looks dark and the graphics on screen cannot be read easily.jules21 wrote:does anyone have advice on a good navigation option for on-bike use? before you answer, read on..
I broke my Garmin 510, which had breadcrumb navigation. This was pretty useful actually, so I might replace it.
In the meantime, I'm relying on my smartphone. This is proving less than satisfying. I am using Google Maps, which is very annoying:
a. I build maps in Google's MyMaps function (google.com/mymaps), which is good.
b. I am not only navigating regional routes, but primarily I am navigating city routes - i.e. finding a safe route through urban areas.
c. I am navigating with Google Maps, into which you can upload your MyMaps route.
Unfortunately, Google Maps is balls. The reason starts and ends with - it won't adhere to waypoints. So if you put in a 100km loop with 20 waypoints, Google Maps will ignore the way points and navigate you to the finish - using my example of a loop: "You have arrived". I haven't even started yet!
Are there any other non-subscription Android apps. into which you can program a route with waypoints, and which adheres to the route you've planned? i.e. navigates a route between each waypoint
The solution I've got with Google Maps is to navigate between interim waypoints, i.e. split your journey into numerous journeys, forcing it to take you from waypoint to waypoint. But in the city, this means pulling over every few minutes and programming in the next 'journey', which is balls.
Any ideas?
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Re: on-bike navigation options
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby madmacca » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:52 am
Recent releases by Garmin offer some interesting possibilities at lower price points.
The 130 offers breadcrumb routes (but not full mapping).
The 520 Plus is a more fully featured headunit with mapping, but supposedly map rendering is slow and clunky (not sure whether this will be fixed with a FW update).
The new Edge Explore offers mapping and a good touchscreen, but without power meter support.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby RonK » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:04 am
Shock, horror. I wouldn’t dream of going touring without a power meter.madmacca wrote:The new Edge Touring offers mapping and a good touchscreen, but without power meter support.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby RonK » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:06 am
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby g-boaf » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:08 am
Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages? Why don't they also make a colour screen optional too. Perhaps even remove the display of speed and distance too - or make it an option you pay extra for? Or perhaps even have a surcharge if your route has more than a certain number of waypoints?RonK wrote:Shock, horror. I wouldn’t dream of going touring without a power meter.madmacca wrote:The new Edge Touring offers mapping and a good touchscreen, but without power meter support.
It's a rip off. USD$300 (from Garmin in the USA) for cut back functionality? Might as well just use a Smart Phone app instead of paying that much money.
I must say I've never much liked the navigation features on any Garmin I've tried to be honest.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby RonK » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:24 am
Lezyne Mega GPS
Another very promising new entry is the SIGMA ROX 12.0. It is rated highly by Ray Maker. Way back I had a Sigma Rox 9.0 and it was one of the best bike computers I've ever owned.
Either of these could tempt me away from my Wahoo unless they deliver re-routable navigation for the Elemnt.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:36 pm
It does.Dave_C wrote:I believe the NEW Garmin 520 Plus has full map directions like their bigger models. You would just have to be sure it is the Plus model. Unsure if there is a price diifference
I have one on test at the moment for BNA with the writeup coming soon. Also have the Varia 510 as well.
Nav capability is same as 1030 as far as I have found out. There are some small features missing, but so far so good. Usual annoying Garmin issues, but I rate it better than the 1030 (I HATE that touch screen).
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby hamishm » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:58 pm
Edge Touring has no ANT+ so no HRM, power, cadence. Actually it's obsolete anyway so I don't know why it was mentioned.g-boaf wrote:Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages?
Same deal with the Edge Explore though which seems to be the current equivalent.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby madmacca » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:42 pm
My bad - I did mean the new Edge Explore rather than the Touring. I've edited my post.hamishm wrote:Edge Touring has no ANT+ so no HRM, power, cadence. Actually it's obsolete anyway so I don't know why it was mentioned.g-boaf wrote:Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages?
Same deal with the Edge Explore though which seems to be the current equivalent.
Explore does offer HRM, etc over ANT+, just not power.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby g-boaf » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:03 pm
Even more obsolete Garmin devices have all of these and navigation and a reasonable touch screen. Touring or explore seems like a farcical marketing ploy and grab for money. Sell a fairly bare bones device at a fairly extravagant price with a name they hope will make it appeal to touring only riders.hamishm wrote:Edge Touring has no ANT+ so no HRM, power, cadence. Actually it's obsolete anyway so I don't know why it was mentioned.g-boaf wrote:Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages?
Same deal with the Edge Explore though which seems to be the current equivalent.
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Postby RonK » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:41 pm
I couldn't really care less what Garmin do. I will never buy another Garmin device, one experience was enough.g-boaf wrote:Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages? Why don't they also make a colour screen optional too. Perhaps even remove the display of speed and distance too - or make it an option you pay extra for? Or perhaps even have a surcharge if your route has more than a certain number of waypoints?RonK wrote:Shock, horror. I wouldn’t dream of going touring without a power meter.madmacca wrote:The new Edge Touring offers mapping and a good touchscreen, but without power meter support.
It's a rip off. USD$300 (from Garmin in the USA) for cut back functionality? Might as well just use a Smart Phone app instead of paying that much money.
I must say I've never much liked the navigation features on any Garmin I've tried to be honest.
But power meter and even hrm support on a touring computer is about as useful and desirable as tits on a bull.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby g-boaf » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:16 pm
Why do you even need a touring version of a bike computer at all? Just do a fully featured bike computer at a reasonable price that suits all purposes. More people might buy them too.RonK wrote:I couldn't really care less what Garmin do. I will never buy another Garmin device, one experience was enough.g-boaf wrote:Shock horror, what's the point of dropping power meter support when it has been there for ages? Why don't they also make a colour screen optional too. Perhaps even remove the display of speed and distance too - or make it an option you pay extra for? Or perhaps even have a surcharge if your route has more than a certain number of waypoints?RonK wrote: Shock, horror. I wouldn’t dream of going touring without a power meter.
It's a rip off. USD$300 (from Garmin in the USA) for cut back functionality? Might as well just use a Smart Phone app instead of paying that much money.
I must say I've never much liked the navigation features on any Garmin I've tried to be honest.
But power meter and even hrm support on a touring computer is about as useful and desirable as tits on a bull.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:28 am
However the route has 2 loops in it and I wanted to go a different way than the course was created. I have rerouting suggestions turned on.
It doesn't give up trying to reroute. The beeps and chirps and text on the display soon became pretty annoying.
It has a pause button that I eventually pressed. I was worried that it would stop mapping altogether. No it didn't. It just paused rerouting. Should have pressed it earlier.
Going to turn that feature off.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby g-boaf » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:38 am
I gave up.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:07 pm
On the dirt though, with my gravel bike. There are multiple trails, tracks and roads out in the forests here. Didn't know where the hell I am going without it. Getting the hang of it better now.
It has never taken the wrong route.
The 1030+ just won't shut up unless you tell it to.
There are settings where it will reroute.
https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp ... DF4E6.html
Dunno how it picked another course
I make my courses on Strava and then sync them to garmin connect and the device gets them. Have 18 stored on it currently.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby foo on patrol » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:36 am
warthog1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:28 amUsed my 1030+ for navigation for the first time yesterday on my gravel ride. Worked well and an improvement over my old edge 1000 that would be 8 or so years old, but it worked well too.
However the route has 2 loops in it and I wanted to go a different way than the course was created. I have rerouting suggestions turned on.
It doesn't give up trying to reroute. The beeps and chirps and text on the display soon became pretty annoying.
It has a pause button that I eventually pressed. I was worried that it would stop mapping altogether. No it didn't. It just paused rerouting. Should have pressed it earlier.
Going to turn that feature off.
You sure it wasn't your better half reminding that you haven't done something?
I've never used the mapping on any of mine yet, I just wing it when on the 29er if riding trails, just so long as I get back to where I started from. Probably should try it one day and then there's Komoot that you can use for plotting courses also.
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Re: on-bike navigation options
Postby warthog1 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:48 am
Could have been but that is part of the mental health benefit of riding my bike. I'm not listening.foo on patrol wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:36 am
You sure it wasn't your better half reminding that you haven't done something?
I've never used the mapping on any of mine yet, I just wing it when on the 29er if riding trails, just so long as I get back to where I started from. Probably should try it one day and then there's Komoot that you can use for plotting courses also.
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Yeah I get out a bit of a way from home and it is a maze in some parts, particularly the Wellsford forest. No cars though. Sooo good.
I haven't tried or heard of komoot.
I'll have a look. Strava works as I open it on 2 pages and can copy or modify a route. It is linked to my Garmin connect, so just uploads when I sync the 1030.
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