Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby JV911 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:59 am

Traffic chaos warning as Critical Mass plans CBD bike protest today November 25, 2011 - 12:43PM

NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell says protesters planning a mass bike ride through central Sydney during peak hour have rocks in their heads.

Traffic chaos is expected to engulf Sydney's CBD this afternoon when Critical Mass protesters ride through the CBD dead in peak hour at 5.30pm (AEDT).

The protest will traverse major streets including Market St, George St, Pitt St, Elizabeth St and Macquarie St, before crossing the Harbour Bridge.

Advertisement: Story continues below Mr O'Farrell says blocking city streets on a wet Friday is the last way to get support.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/traffic-chaos ... z1eg7YUQtS
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby ldrcycles » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:03 pm

JV911 wrote: Mr O'Farrell says blocking city streets on a wet Friday is the last way to get support.[/i]



My thoughts exactly.
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Postby longshanks » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:17 pm

ldrcycles wrote:JV911 wrote:
Mr O'Farrell says blocking city streets on a wet Friday is the last way to get support.[/i]



My thoughts exactly.


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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby jet-ski » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:18 pm

Yeah, they should leave the street-blocking to the regular car traffic.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby Nate » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:24 pm

absolute peanuts...
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby JV911 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:24 pm

jet-ski wrote:Yeah, they should leave the street-blocking to the regular car traffic.


a valid point...peak-hour cbd traffic barely moves :lol:

but they are not doing themselves, or us, any favours in gaining support esp when the SMH jumps on the bandwagon and sensationalises it
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby Oxford » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:31 pm

I always find the reactions to these quite funny. its OK for a mass of cars heading in the same general direction to block the streets during peak hours, but if a mass of cyclists do it, its suddenly bad? the hypocrisy of the situation is ludicrous. the only sad part of this is that it is premeditated and advertised. if it wasn't then it would just happen. what is worse is that some moron in a cage may get some vigilante justice idea in their thick skull and try to "punish" a cyclist. what if that cyclist just happens to be a random innocent cyclist who is not aware of this critical mass ride and gets caught up in it by mistake?

if you're going to do critical mass, then it needs to be more flash mob style, unadvertised and kept to a smaller organised group. it can still be effective, especially in peak hour with smaller groups, but if its unannounced then it draws no premeditated negative exposure.
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Postby Addictr3 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:37 pm

pot kettle black. I wont be riding which sucks, i'd love to give a few happy waves to the people sitting in their cars :(
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby ldrcycles » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:49 pm

Addictr3 wrote:i'd love to give a few happy waves to the people sitting in their cars :(


Riding in the city you could do that every day couldn't you? :) .

Oxford wrote:what is worse is that some moron in a cage may get some vigilante justice idea in their thick skull and try to "punish" a cyclist.


You mean like the Critical Mass ride in Brazil a while ago? That was awful.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby jet-ski » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:01 pm

Maybe they applied for police approval? Or maybe the journo read a light-pole poster or something? Hopefully they aren't writing media releases :?

I agree with Ox - flash mob style is the way to go, and not too massive cos then you lose the group adhesion.... and people may do silly things to try and keep the group together.
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Postby goneriding » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:21 pm

How is this different to what they do every month and why is it news?
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Postby jet-ski » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:26 pm

Cos it's a slow news day? Cos anti-cyclist stories always get hits to their website? Why do the press run any story?

We don't have CM-ers really in Perth, so the media run hate campaigns against charity rides instead.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby sogood » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:28 pm

Given people's right to protest and free speech, it's hard to argue against Critical Mass (as we've done here as well as other forums). But the key question I'd like to know at this point is, what changes has these regular Critical Mass rides made? For the few years I've been following cycling events, I have yet to hear any positive and constructive message out of that group. All I hear and read is their Fri protests, one that cause inconveniences to all road users around the CBD. If they spend their Fri time in cleaning up glass chips along the numerous cycle ways around Sydney, then I'd think there's value in their movement.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby Addictr3 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:02 pm

I like how that article clearly details the route of the ride, and how to get there lol made me laugh.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby csy75 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:27 pm

the irony of being published in the "motoring" section of the paper also gave me a good chuckle....
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Postby SmellyTofu » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:31 pm

Sorry for being ignorant, what do they stand for?
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Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby MREJ » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:48 pm

Deliberately frustrating other legitimate road users - hard to see how that builds a positive reputation for cyclists. I want cyclists seen as legitimate users of public roads. This comes with rights AND responsibilities. And one of the responsibilities we rightly expect from motorists is that they are considerate of other road users..... I think all this will achieve with most people is they'll be increasingly inclined to think that cyclists should get out of the way.
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby Oxford » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:15 pm

MREJ wrote:Deliberately frustrating other legitimate road users - hard to see how that builds a positive reputation for cyclists. I want cyclists seen as legitimate users of public roads. This comes with rights AND responsibilities. And one of the responsibilities we rightly expect from motorists is that they are considerate of other road users..... I think all this will achieve with most people is they'll be increasingly inclined to think that cyclists should get out of the way.

so consideration should be given to other road users and motorists should not drive during peak hours of road use? this is the irony I alluded to earlier. why is it OK for highways to be jammed with motor vehicles on long weekends because everyone massed towards a popular area. why is it OK for roads around schools, shopping centres, businesses, commercial/industrial areas et al to be jammed with masses of motor vehicles during peak use times? the hypocrisy is disturbing. critical mass would fall flat on its face if there was no road peak hour. motor vehicle users create the situation for CM to be successful because of what they are doing, jamming up the roads with their own traffic. CM is just more legitimate traffic that is very noticeable because of what it is, a different type of traffic.
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Postby TimW » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:18 pm

I suppose its one way for the great unwashed to have a shower with the way Sydney weather has been lately. If you want to increase the hatred towards cyclists in Sydney, then this is one way of doing it,that is if they are indeed going to do it.Tim
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Postby csy75 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:20 pm

Nate wrote:absolute peanuts...



the riders?

or the added traffic, as in a drop in the ocean?
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby sogood » Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:27 pm

The other annoying thing of this event is the involvement of BarryO, trying to score some political points. He has clearly taken side and ignored the group's right to protest, one that won't do any good to community harmony.
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Postby trek52 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:27 pm

These people are absolute <REMOVED> idiots. They create consistent anger between cars and me on my way home to my 2 little kids. Everytime these clowns do this us real cyclists (the ones who dont think they own the road and obey rules) get a bad name. I feel like going down there and flogging some sense into these people. I am all for protesting but lets not do it on a friday night to all the traffic leaving the city trying to get home to their loved ones. 99.9% of motorists are pretty good to cyclist, so why cause this effect to everyone. Can their not be a less disruptive way to do this

Sydney is unfortunatly not cycling friendly, however great steps have been made in recent years. We are a car society, learn to deal with it, ride the back roads and save the agnst for the fixie riders.

I am happy to have a boxing charity match with the organiser of this debacle......
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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby jet-ski » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:44 pm

trek52 - maybe you should get out of your smokebox and enjoy your trip home - I love how you assume that CM cyclists don't have families to go home to and that having a family gives you some kind of moral high ground.

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Re: Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby sandberry » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:09 pm

trek52 wrote:These people are absolute <REMOVED> idiots. They create consistent anger between cars and me on my way home to my 2 little kids. Everytime these clowns do this us real cyclists (the ones who dont think they own the road and obey rules) get a bad name. I feel like going down there and flogging some sense into these people. I am all for protesting but lets not do it on a friday night to all the traffic leaving the city trying to get home to their loved ones. 99.9% of motorists are pretty good to cyclist, so why cause this effect to everyone. Can their not be a less disruptive way to do this

Sydney is unfortunatly not cycling friendly, however great steps have been made in recent years. We are a car society, learn to deal with it, ride the back roads and save the agnst for the fixie riders.

I am happy to have a boxing charity match with the organiser of this debacle......


There's so much wrong with your words. Placing blame on CM for generating hate between cars and so called "real cyclists" is ridiculous - I honestly beleive majority of the hate I receive has nothing to do with CM. And what, a protest should be a convenient little thing? IMHO the entire point of a protest is that it is supposed to be noticeable, or impossible to not notice, so to call attention to a cause. And in my experience, this "99.9% of motorists are pretty good to cyclist" is so very far from the truth - as I understand it, part of the reason CM exists is because it is so far from the reality of things.

"We are a car society... ride the back roads"
It's this kind of mentality some of us want to see changed in this country. I'm not looking for a complete restructuring of our entire way of life, nor am I riding in CM. But I do want to see less of the mentality you've displayed in motorists on the road, and a much more well-informed, aware, and respectful community of road-users. Maybe I will ride in CM one day.

And finally, this mention of a boxing charity match? Machoism such as this is in my eyes the worst kind of motorist rage I've received: that of the male who thinks he is so very tough, and can solve any problem with such narrow thinking.
In my eyes, in saying that, you're only a few short steps from being the bloke in the holden who decides to physically threaten you with his car (as I'm sure some of you out there have experienced at least once).
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Critical mass nut-jobs at it again

Postby MREJ » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:25 pm

Oxford wrote:so consideration should be given to other road users and motorists should not drive during peak hours of road use? this is the irony I alluded to earlier. why is it OK for highways to be jammed with motor vehicles on long weekends because everyone massed towards a popular area. why is it OK for roads around schools, shopping centres, businesses, commercial/industrial areas et al to be jammed with masses of motor vehicles during peak use times? the hypocrisy is disturbing.


Hi Oxford

My point was about the apparent intention of CM to be disruptive towards other road users. I am not aware of any organised motorist groups setting out to do this (except the occasional truckies blockade). Certainly people using their cars for the purposes you mention are generally unlikely to be doing so for the reasons that appear to motivate CM. There isn't enough room on the roads for everyone at peak hour - we all know this - so while I think it's fair enough for all of us to use them, it's pretty inconsiderate to organise with others to do that en masse with the objective of adding to the problem. As to deliberately breaking the law that we also want to protect us (referred to on the CM website) ........

Bring on the day when cyclists all feel safe and welcome on the roads. Unfortunately, I don't think CM is bringing it any closer. The bigger this gets, the more people will want cyclists to stick to bike paths and suburban back streets.

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