Hey who knows, someone else might (and will hopefully) be in the role by thenCommuRider wrote:Still have 8 months left with mine. (and I renewed because of Omar!)
"New" CEO for BNSW
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby hannos » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:15 am
I have about 11 monthsCommuRider wrote:Still have 8 months left with mine. (and I renewed because of Omar!)
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby Boognoss » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:18 am
BQ is $90 p.a. and have the exact same cover (Starter policy)as BNSW ($20M public liability).
BNSW is $104 p.a (and have Alex Unwin).
BV is $109 p.a. but have a different policy with $5M public liability.
THere are of course other variations like loss of income cover that is slightly better with BV's insurance so it's a weigh up of risk as is any insurance policy.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby sblack » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:05 pm
How does the excess compare between the covers?Boognoss wrote:BQ is $90 p.a. and have the exact same cover (Starter policy)as BNSW ($20M public liability).
BNSW is $104 p.a (and have Alex Unwin).
BV is $109 p.a. but have a different policy with $5M public liability.
edit: answering my own question a quick look at the sites and found the following:
Third party, both have $1000 excess, BV has $5million cover and BNSW/BQ has $20million
Loss of income, both cover up to 80% of income, BV is capped at $1000 per week for 52 weeks and has a 14 day excess. BNSW/BQ is capped at $800 per week for 104 weeks and a 7 day excess.
Non-medicare medical expenses, both paid at 85%, BV is capped at $7500 with $150 excess, BNSW/BQ is capped at $5000 with an excess of $50.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby feral grasshopper » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:21 pm
http://www.bikesa.asn.au/RiderInfo_Memb ... uranceFAQs
http://yooyahcloud.com/BICYCLESA/6XynJ/ ... _Final.pdf
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby Boognoss » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:55 pm
Mmmmm, same insurance as BNSW and BQ for $80 p.a. Looks like the winnerferal grasshopper wrote:have a look at Bicycle SA guys:
http://www.bikesa.asn.au/RiderInfo_Memb ... uranceFAQs
http://yooyahcloud.com/BICYCLESA/6XynJ/ ... _Final.pdf
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby snortin » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:53 am
I found on the Cyclecover website that you could only go through the "partner" in the state you live in (if there is one). Thus, only people in Vic, Tas, WA and NT can choose the association they wish to join for insurance purposes. See link.....
http://www.cyclecover.com.au/ridesafe/distributors.html
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby csy75 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:01 am
why would someone pay a 20-30% higher premium on an insurance policy to a group that many people are not overly happy with ( BNSW in my case ), when i can buy the same policy from Bike SA and have coverage here in NSW?
I dont understand?
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby snortin » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:22 pm
They have two statements on that page which informed my assumption:
referring to the various bike associations.These entities act under a distribution agreement with Cyclecover and are the sole distributor of the RideSafe product in their respective states and/or territories.
And
So my interpretation (which I was hoping someone would say was incorrect) was that if you lived in either NSW, SA, QLD you had to go to your state distributor (BNSW for us) to "purchase" a Ridesafe Package. I had assumed that membership of an association is essentially purchasing a Ridesafe package? See also this link http://www.cyclecover.com.au/ridesafe/packages.htmlIf you reside in either SA, NSW, QLD or ACT you will need to contact the respective partner in your area to purchase a RideSafe package
which details coverage that most associations provide is "Starter"
Now if you were to join Bike SA simply to be covered by the personal bike crash insurance (ie the Cyclecover ridesafe package) then you would not be complying with the above requirements. The part that really had me worried was this quote on Bike SA website
Would this then not mean that they could deny any claim?* Please refer to http://www.cyclecover.com.au for a full description of insurance cover, conditions & exclusions.
Of course all the above is just my reading of the Cyclecover website - but ultimately they are providing the coverage, and if they have written on their website that you need to purchase coverage only through an approved distributor (if available) then I would have thought they have grounds to reject any claim from somebody who is a member of Bike SA but resides in NSW?
I would really like to hear from someone who is a resident of NSW but a member of Bike SA - specifically whether they have in writing that they are covered by the Bike SA insurance?
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby anonymous_ » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:24 pm
Bnsw could not organize a weekend ride.
The rail trail in the riverina was from bv lobbying the nsw government. Bv has forged an alliance with the racv, they sponsor the long ride and offer bikes roadside assistance. Bv have over 100 full-time staff.
Bnsw is af..... Joke.
Now we have the same loser that stuffed it up back in charge.
Guys what can we do to change this?
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby CommuRider » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:38 pm
Anyway, received this in the inbox. Nb the consultant speak
Puh-lease how comforting to read the organisation is not immune to cliches du jour, or trendoid phrases of the week to justify changes that smack of self-interest.The Board of Bicycle NSW is pleased to announce the appointment of Alex Unwin as the new Chief Executive Officer of BNSW. Alex has unrivalled experience and understanding of the sector and his knowledge of BNSW is second to none, having previously served as CEO from 2005 to 2010. Alex will commence his term as CEO from February allowing BNSW to seamlessly move forward.
When a person/organisation states "move forward" , you know they are doing exactly the opposite. So for those not moving forward with them, does that mean they are accelerating beyond square one?
As for the board, get rid of the big4 cycling weekend warriors or it is looking like they have been placed there by the NRMA to destroy the BNSW from within.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby csy75 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:01 pm
who do they buy it off? whomever they want!!
so obviously it is the same for anyone else in any state...buy membership through the state body you wish to support. they then offer you a policy which is valid anywhere in Australia.
I would also prefer to save $$$ on insurance and perhaps let bicycle NSW sort itself out before paying to support them in what seems to me as an outsider, pretty poor performance by the board.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby MREJ » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:42 pm
There were also several good practical initiatives that arrived during his tenure.
The contrast with BV - with its 100 employees - is marked. I first got onto their mailing list about 3 years ago, and was struck by how much more capacity and initiative they seemed to have. They have annual revenue of $13.5m - when Omar arrived, BNSW annual revenue was less than $2m! I just looked at Omar's message in the most recent annual report, where he talks about rebuilding the organisation. I had a distinct impression that he was gaining traction in this.
Now we are back to the future, and all we get from Bicycle NSW to explain this significant change is a page of spin. This is really unacceptable. After all, the member pay the dues. BNSW needs to talk to its members or risk a backlash next time elections come up. I for one will be using my vote with a vengeance.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby grantw » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:52 am
We've been playing telephone tag since then, but when I actually talk to them, I will be more specific as to why. I'd be very happy to learn of the boards vision too.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby trailgumby » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:58 pm
Seems like the linked webpage was crafted to answer each of my questions directly.Garry from BV wrote:Hi xxxx
You are not alone with your questions -- the recent changes in NSW have triggered similar queries.
In short, yes, we do offer memberships nationally, and there are thousands of people who take it.
Because of the recent interest we have put a web page up which should answer your questions.
http://www.bv.com.au/general/join-in/93919/
Don't hesitate to contact us if you have further questions.
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Regards
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:15 pm
Would people be interested? If so, what do you want to know?
Cheers,
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby CommuRider » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:41 pm
If BNSW has some lofty ambition to demutualise ala NRMA and to be more commercial like, they require board members who treat their positions professionally and not because they were elected there because they are mates with whoever, and treat their board position as some trophy membership and actually don't care about executive decisions being made and just stamp their approval without even any consultation with their stakeholders!
Furthermore, lack of visibility and information regarding Omar's abrupt departure. Seems to be no transparency at all. If the CEO position was not publicly advertised, it shows the gross unaccountability and the contempt BNSW has displayed to its members. I am sure there are OTHERS who have the vision and transform the organisation into a proper cycling organisation and would have submitted their interest had the position been advertised. So why was not the position advertised? Who was on the selection committee to parachute in the old CEO? Can they disclose their conflicts of interest? Did the former CEO actually select the sitting board members? And where is the Chair in all of this?
At least they spared us 'Omar departed for personal reasons' bullcr@p.
It seems that currently my membership fees are going into a blackhole of an organisation that is unaccountable to its members.
Thanks for the link tg, I will keep it in mind 8 months' down the track. I like their welcome An organisation that looks after its members? Hmmmm....very tempting....
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby sogood » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:29 am
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby grantw » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:06 am
Thanks for the link, joining was easy.trailgumby wrote:Email response from BV:
Seems like the linked webpage was crafted to answer each of my questions directly.
cheers
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby Sydguy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:26 am
Being a member of Cycling Australia, besides being able to race with a gold license, also covers you for insurance purposes?
Does Cycling Australia advocate for cyclists? Or is it more a racing focused organisation?
BNSE is BUG focused and Cycling Australia is Club focused?
So many layers, it really splits cyclists up into little easy to ignore groups.
JM
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby gururug » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:48 am
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby sogood » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:29 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby trailgumby » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:56 pm
No problem. However, only $5mil of public liability and property damage cover seems a bit light compared to the $20mil that is usual on PL policies of this type.grantw wrote:Thanks for the link, joining was easy.trailgumby wrote:Email response from BV:
Seems like the linked webpage was crafted to answer each of my questions directly.
cheers
grant
I think I'll be looking a litte further before making a decision, as I have until August to do so.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby gururug » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:38 pm
30-100 new members/customers should be able to sway some deals.
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Re: "New" CEO for BNSW
Postby Sydguy » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:27 pm
JM
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