Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby trailgumby » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:30 pm

schroeds wrote: No contact though unlike last time I went to Manly dam.....within the first 50m one hit me, talons first....gouged my nose which bled A LOT... :evil:

Usually I don't bleed there till I fall off the tricky section :roll:


Ah, that's the Butcher of Gibbes Street. :lol: That bird is famed and has appeared in the letters section of the local chip wrapper multiple times.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby g-boaf » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:58 pm

trailgumby wrote:Unfortunately magpies are a protected species and may not be touched or removed Council will resolve its risks by putting up signs that warn about the avian serial killer's behaviour and recommend the wearing of hats and protective glasses.

Being a mountain biker and very much in favour of protection of native species and the natural environment, personally I think this is a ridiculous inversion of priorities. There have been incidents reported of young children having eyesight irreparably damaged by these birds and affecting someone's whole life for the sake of a bird that lives a few years is just stupid. It's not at all like they're an endangered species.

Seems to me they'd be better off if "natural selection" was allowed to take its course and birds with this behaviour were removed from the gene pool.


If they are dangerous, they can be destroyed - but an application must be made first and approved. A particularly dangerous bird was shot dead on orders of NPWS.

By law though, any attempts to harm them is illegal and you can face serious penalties.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby winstonw » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:18 pm

m2cw re magpies.

- they may be protected but it is by sadly deluded fauna 'experts'. in metro suburbs, magpies are towards the top of the bird hierarchy re aggression. their numbers are artificially elevated due to this aggression and their superior adaptation to the human built environment. This aggression and greater adaptability comes at the expense of less aggressive native birds. Council fauna experts conveniently ignore this fact. If magpie numbers are artificially elevated, and lesser native birds are compromised by this, then the experts need to be culling suburban magpies, especially the more aggressive, so as to give the lesser birds a fair go.

- the argument by fauna conservationists that magpies 'learn' cyclist attack behavior in response to aggressive behavior by cyclists towards them, is absolute bunk. there's no proof of this anywhere. and magpies that rarely encounter cyclists, if ever before, have been known to attack cyclists.

- magpies are an underrated risk to cyclists, and they learn from season to season how to attack more viciously. there's one on Kedron Brook in Brisbane, that I have witnessed over 4 years, learn to attack the eyes of cyclists more effectively. In fact, a young girl had the cornea of one eye severely scratched last year, and now has permanently compromised vision.

I made a lengthy documented complaint with over 5 photos of cyclists who had damage near their eyes from this magpie, and the council determined it was a risk. When I followed thorugh on what was happening a few weeks later, I was told the fauna specialist had set a trap, but the magpie wouldn't go in it....so there was nothing mroe they could do......un frikkin believable.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby g-boaf » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:13 pm

Yet some magpies will leave you alone completely. The ones around my house seem to leave everyone alone - they'll chase off other birds, but they appear to leave people alone.

I can remember when I grew up ages ago, the council where I lived ended up fencing off an area that magpies used to nest in. And after that, the magpies became much less aggressive towards everyone. Because the people weren't throwing rocks and sticks at them.

It's worthwhile clarifying that you are probably talking about a non-NSW incident as well.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby broker » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:45 pm

That McGraths Hill magpie is dangerous - did this to me last November:

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Riding along in the zone minding my own business I scored a high speed landing on my shoulder and It started hacking into my ear, then I got stuck at the traffic lights and it didn't let go, I even stood toe to toe with it at one stage (this was during morning peak hour traffic, provided light entertainment to the commuters also stuck at the lights).

Magpie swooped at me till i got past the macca's. On return route I thought I'd rather hustle it out with the 18 wheelers on the other side of Windsor Rd.

Dangerous creature this one, it makes the cycleway un-family friendly.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby Xplora » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:53 am

Write to the council people, just keep hitting them. Critical mass is probably only 10 emails written by sane people.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby Benz250 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:28 pm

Magpie pecked me twice on Saturday morning turning right McGraths MacDonalds. Bird a definite pest. Going round the previous street next week.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby vosadrian » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:21 pm

McGraths Hill Maggie attacked me again saturday. On the way out we were on Windsor Rd and went straight at the lights, and did not get attacked (towards centre of windsor on the way to turf farms). On the way back, we came in from Hawkesbury valley way and it attacked. I waved one arm over my head, and I heard him close by trying to get me but he never actually made any contact with me. When he drew blood from my ear last year I had just tried to ride quickly away from him, but going slow and waving an arm around seems to work better for me. I did quietly hop I would accidentally grab him and then deal with him!!
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby scotto » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:07 pm

Nick just made a good comment elsewhere. TT helmet vs satanic magpie, and not the pissy rounded kask type but a sharp pointy one to stab that mongrel animal through the heart so I doesn't come back to life next spring , which reminds me it ain't even spring yet !!
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby Xplora » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:11 pm

scotto, if you're doing a Windsor run tomorrow, make sure you turn down Park Road to go behind the business park to avoid the maggie!
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby gorilla monsoon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:37 pm

:D :D :D What a bunch of girly-girls, frightened of 750 grams of black and white bird! :D :D :D "Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the manhood of our brave nation!" :D :D :D
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby g-boaf » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:39 pm

gorilla monsoon wrote::D :D :D What a bunch of girly-girls, frightened of 750 grams of black and white bird! :D :D :D "Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the manhood of our brave nation! :D :D :D


Says he who appears to be from a different area, and may not have gone through there. Your mission is to ride through there and come back, telling us it is nothing to worry about. And no, you may not use a TT helmet.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby gorilla monsoon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:48 pm

G old mate, you don't think maggies exist in the Newcastle-Lake Macquarie-Central Coast area? Come on man, I have my own maggies to deal with! And the wattle birds! I wouldn't like to be hit by one of those buggers!

However, if you want to fund my trip to your locale so I can take a pedal past your magpie then I will be happy to oblige. My going rate to my clients is $75 an hour (or part thereof) plus travel costs, meals, accommodation and sundry other expenses.

And the clock starts when I close my front door on the way out and stops when I get home and open it. So what date do you want to make it?
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby TTar » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:07 pm

gorilla monsoon wrote:G old mate, you don't think maggies exist in the Newcastle-Lake Macquarie-Central Coast area? Come on man, I have my own maggies to deal with! And the wattle birds! I wouldn't like to be hit by one of those buggers!

However, if you want to fund my trip to your locale so I can take a pedal past your magpie then I will be happy to oblige. My going rate to my clients is $75 an hour (or part thereof) plus travel costs, meals, accommodation and sundry other expenses.

And the clock starts when I close my front door on the way out and stops when I get home and open it. So what date do you want to make it?


Sounds as though you haven't been hit by any bugger whatsoever, tough guy.

Your desire to be educated in the matter is laudable, but there's no need to inconvenience yourself by traveling south, I'll come to where you are (at my own expense) and throw a claw-and-beak-studded baseball at your head. You can enjoy the Magpie-attack experience in the comfort of your own region without any southern girly-girls offending your manliness.

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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby TimW » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:17 pm

TTar wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:G old mate, you don't think maggies exist in the Newcastle-Lake Macquarie-Central Coast area? Come on man, I have my own maggies to deal with! And the wattle birds! I wouldn't like to be hit by one of those buggers!

However, if you want to fund my trip to your locale so I can take a pedal past your magpie then I will be happy to oblige. My going rate to my clients is $75 an hour (or part thereof) plus travel costs, meals, accommodation and sundry other expenses.

And the clock starts when I close my front door on the way out and stops when I get home and open it. So what date do you want to make it?


Sounds as though you haven't been hit by any bugger whatsoever, tough guy.

Your desire to be educated in the matter is laudable, but there's no need to inconvenience yourself by traveling south, I'll come to where you are (at my own expense) and throw a claw-and-beak-studded baseball at your head. You can enjoy the Magpie-attack experience in the comfort of your own region without any southern girly-girls offending your manliness.

When's good for you?


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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby BastardSheep » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:31 pm

gorilla monsoon wrote:G old mate, you don't think maggies exist in the Newcastle-Lake Macquarie-Central Coast area? Come on man, I have my own maggies to deal with! And the wattle birds! I wouldn't like to be hit by one of those buggers!

However, if you want to fund my trip to your locale so I can take a pedal past your magpie then I will be happy to oblige. My going rate to my clients is $75 an hour (or part thereof) plus travel costs, meals, accommodation and sundry other expenses.

And the clock starts when I close my front door on the way out and stops when I get home and open it. So what date do you want to make it?


Different magpies have different levels of aggression. Some just fly nearby and make aggressive motions, while others (like the one being discussed here by the sounds of it) physically attack, damage ears, necks, and even eyes. Having a bird that actively attacks is a VERY different thing to one that just swoops and makes aggressive motions. Your assumptions and attitude here are quite obnoxious and not required. If you don't have anything constructive to add, it usually better to keep it to yourself.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby Xplora » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:08 pm

It's somewhat amusing, considering the sheer number of posts about this bird (check last year as well). We had a maggie outside my house that swooped me on the porch, in the backyard, it was a menace. But it never physically attacked me. I was getting swooped by one right outside our current place - I didn't even worry about it in the end because it was gutless. This Maccas maggie is at another level entirely, and you can rest assured that if it was a residential area, rather than a heavily trafficked bit of industrial estate, it would have been killed by the council, National Parks and Wildlife, or a disgruntled neighour. The only reason it remains alive is sheer perverse fortune of location.

The bit that it really messed up is that you've got B-Doubles going past after getting swooped, doing 70 clicks. Not a lot of room for error at that intersection.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby vosadrian » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:37 pm

I've been attacked by a lot of maggies in my time. But this is the only one that has drawn blood.

He may be a relation of one about 10 years ago that I knocked to the ground with an RC plane and it is looking for revenge. I was amazed how robust that one was. I hit it at about 40m altitude. It was attacking my (foam and very robust) plane, and I was playing around with it. I did a loop and came down right on top of it (accidentally) and hit it hard (plane would have been doing 100+kph on exit of loop). It then fell to the ground and hit the ground hard. It sat there for a few minutes, and then got up and flew back into its tree. It never did attack the plane again though!! :) After that it concentrated on me!! :(
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby gorilla monsoon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:51 pm

TTar wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:G old mate, you don't think maggies exist in the Newcastle-Lake Macquarie-Central Coast area? Come on man, I have my own maggies to deal with! And the wattle birds! I wouldn't like to be hit by one of those buggers!

However, if you want to fund my trip to your locale so I can take a pedal past your magpie then I will be happy to oblige. My going rate to my clients is $75 an hour (or part thereof) plus travel costs, meals, accommodation and sundry other expenses.

And the clock starts when I close my front door on the way out and stops when I get home and open it. So what date do you want to make it?


Sounds as though you haven't been hit by any bugger whatsoever, tough guy.

Your desire to be educated in the matter is laudable, but there's no need to inconvenience yourself by traveling south, I'll come to where you are (at my own expense) and throw a claw-and-beak-studded baseball at your head. You can enjoy the Magpie-attack experience in the comfort of your own region without any southern girly-girls offending your manliness.

When's good for you?


Ah, TTar, so funny. First you upset the Triads :shock: and now you are into species extinction! :D :D :D Don't worry, the maggies will go away once their young have hatched and left the nest.

If you want to come up for a ride though, that's fine by me. We have civilised maggies up here. It's the plovers you have to keep a watch on.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby scotto » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:23 am

top of galston gorge is a hot one, half way along the road from the pacific hwy to the top of the gorge. more a swooper than a gouger though.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby GrandSimon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:25 am

Yeah, the McGraths Hill magpie is a particularly vicious bird and has no respect for the normal duration of the magpie season or hours. I've even been attacked after sunset.
I've written to the council twice and got no reply. Fortunately, if you are coming and going via Hawkesbury Valley Way, there is an alternative route, but it's the unwary occasional riders that will cop it. As others have pointed out, it's just a matter of time before someone veers into the path of one of those larger chunks of metal and plastic that we are forced to share the road with.
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby Dave_C » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:31 pm

Yes i have also written to Hawks. Council. And yes very poor on their part - no reponse. I have had other issues within the Blacktwon and Hill councils area - both very promptly replied and actioned when required
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Re: Magpies v Cyclists - 2013 season

Postby biker jk » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:48 pm

Dave_C wrote:Yes i have also written to Hawks. Council. And yes very poor on their part - no reponse. I have had other issues within the Blacktwon and Hill councils area - both very promptly replied and actioned when required


That's very good of you to do so. Perhaps call the council as well to remind them of your letter/email and obtain a reference number (my council provides this when you call with an issue).
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