New Catherine Street lanes

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New Catherine Street lanes

Postby tgdavies » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:43 pm

There are some new green bike lanes where Catherine Street crosses the City Westlink -- the Southbound lane is sensible enough, but I'm confused by the Northern lane.

At the point at which Catherine street crosses the City Westlink, it goes from two way to one-way south -- so the northbound lane is left-turn only, and Catherine street on the north side of the westlink is No Entry.

There's now a green bike lane with a straight ahead arrow painted on it on Catherine street between the lanes on the south side of the Westlink. I assume the intention is that you ride on to the left hand pavement of Catherine street after crossing the Westlink -- but that involves crossing a lane of Southbound vehicles turning right into the Westlink.

What's going on?

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby find_bruce » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:20 pm

Yep, it looks like a poorly thought out arrangement. Bob Moore from Bike Leichhardt posts on Sydney cyclist
Bob Moore wrote:First raised with the then RTA in about 2000! We pointed out that there was no legal way for northbound cyclists to cross the CWL via Catherine St, since all four lanes were one way south. Everyone of course just rode illegally on the east side footpath, using the pedestrian lights, but it's narrow and has a blind corner at Lilyfield Rd and other problems. T here was a meeting on site with John Brewer, head of the RMS bicycle section (too pesky/successful, so they abolished it), and he told his second in command, who wasn't that keen on doing anything, "just do it", referring to putting in a light phase for northbound cyclists so they could access the western unused footpath. It turned out that the wiring was in place and so was a kerb ramp, but somehow the project got deferred again and again. It finally got approved about 2011 but then the old plan got reworked and a new southbound lane added and the original footpath bike lane leading to the lights got changed to the central bike lane in the attached photo. Then there were more delays until construction finally happened last year, and now the lights people have obviously spat the dummy and are leaving a very unsafe situation.
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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby tgdavies » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:34 pm

This afternoon, the north bound bike lane has been blocked off with a couple of those plastic barrier things. Hopefully they are sorting out the lights...

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby tgdavies » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:38 pm

I contacted RMS at 4:30 PM on Tuesday via their contact form, and had a reply the next day at 9:30 AM (which I thought was pretty good turnaround):

"Thank you for your enquiry about the new cycle facilities at City West Link and Catherine Street, Leichhardt. Inner West Council is responsible for undertaking these works, which include a northbound bike bay on Catherine Street, as well as northbound and southbound cycle lanes between Lilyfield Road and City West Link.

Roads and Maritime was made aware that during the construction stage, the new facilities give the impression that they are operational, but the proposed new signal lanterns and personality have not yet been installed. We had have requested that while construction is being undertaken, that the northbound bike bay be closed until the new bicycle lanterns are installed and activated. Council issued an instruction for water-filled barriers to be installed on Tuesday 17 January, 2017. Upon inspection, it has been confirmed that this has now been completed.

While works are being undertaken, Roads and Maritime suggests that cyclists cross City West Link using the existing pedestrian crossing facilities on the eastern side of the intersection until the new works are completed and operational."

So it looks as though the end result will be good.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby find_bruce » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:51 pm

Interesting though that the RMS suggest breaking the Road Rules by using the pedestrian crossing.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby citywomble » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:39 pm

Hi,

Interesting though that the RMS suggest breaking the Road Rules by using the pedestrian crossing.


There is no suggestion in that sentence to break to road rules. Implicit in the recommendation for a cyclist to use the pedestrian crossing would be that, to keep within the road rules, cyclists would have to walk. It's not difficult really.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:46 pm

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uemzRkBldLZm2Abc2

Still not finished, and the button is facing the wrong way.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:56 pm

A month later, no change, except the water barriers have been removed.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:52 pm

citywomble wrote:Hi,

Interesting though that the RMS suggest breaking the Road Rules by using the pedestrian crossing.


There is no suggestion in that sentence to break to road rules. Implicit in the recommendation for a cyclist to use the pedestrian crossing would be that, to keep within the road rules, cyclists would have to walk. It's not difficult really.

Might be legal soon. Looks like bike lanterns have been installed on the crossing.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby piledhigher » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:54 pm

roberto73 wrote:
citywomble wrote:Hi,

Interesting though that the RMS suggest breaking the Road Rules by using the pedestrian crossing.


There is no suggestion in that sentence to break to road rules. Implicit in the recommendation for a cyclist to use the pedestrian crossing would be that, to keep within the road rules, cyclists would have to walk. It's not difficult really.

Might be legal soon. Looks like bike lanterns have been installed on the crossing.


Could be legal everywhere without installing a bunch of lights if they followed the states that made it legal.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:17 pm

Another lane on Catherine St needs attention. This is near the refuge at the park, opposite Ilka St. Cars are allowed to park too close to the refuge, leaving no room to come out around the car without going in the traffic lane. Traffic engineer refuses to move the No Stopping sign further away, residents might complain, even though it is next to a park.
https://goo.gl/photos/ppcgSAchczgdPTzT8

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:59 pm

A bit more action on the Catherine St bridge. Workers widened the path on the west side by about half a metre, in preparation for cyclists using it northbound. At this rate of progress maybe the new lights will be working by about Xmas.

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Re: New Catherine Street lanes

Postby roberto73 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:41 am

Nope, no joy for Xmas, lights still hooded on the crossings. Have reraised this with Innerwest Council traffic engineer John Stephens. The barriers that were supposed to block the short green lane for northbound cyclists in Catherine St are piled up on the other side of the road.

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