Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

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Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby antigee » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:04 pm

sometime back I saved a map from an article somewhere that was saying that approval and funding was happening for a link from the end of the Taralla Creel Trail in Croydon (I think apologies if mislabelled your suburb) using a waterpipe reserve and the unused Healesville Freeway reserve to get to Lilydale and in effect linking Carrum and Warburton via Eastlink trail/Dandenong Creek - any one know if open? my saved map has comment planned open mid 2016 - is it worth me going to look? - I've no enthusiasm for the like of Mount Dandenong or Dorset rd

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby BJL » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:33 pm

I messaged Bicycle Network (Whatever they consider themselves these days), in December last year about this. Vicroads has installed and has operating pedestrian lights at Dorset Road, Mt Dandenong Rd and Cambridge Rd for some time now but nothing else appears to have been done. This path is not even going to be sealed. Packed gravel so how hard can it be? 'Supposed' to be finished a year ago but other than the pedestrian lights, NOTHING appears to have been done.

BN responded and said 'wait for an update on the tender process in Jan 2017'. I've given up. My guess is that one day a few years down the track (excuse the pun) someone from Vicroads will question why the pedestrian crossings are there and have them ripped up. It's a stupid route anyway. It should be run along the railway line and get the land reserved for it at the Lilydale end before the developers get hold of that land and fill it with dog boxes. But no, it'll be left until it is far too late and we'll be once more left with disjointed, unusable, substandard crap. As usual.

And for future reference, BN refer to it as the O'shannassy Pipe trail on the BN website if you want the non existent updates.

BN don't care about grassroots stuff anymore. I sent them a few photos of the recently reconstructed path from Heathmont to HE Parker reserve in Bayswater and they really couldn't care less. And the rail trail to Belgrave through Bayswater (which the aforementioned path is part of) has been completed for a couple of months now, not that they could notice or give a rats because the site hasn't been updated for a year now.

As soon as I find cheaper insurance, Bicycle Network will be gone from my life. They can get stuffed. I hope they read this.

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby antigee » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Cheers BJL - yep I might be heading back to UK in a couple of years and was thinking I'll keep my BicycleVictoria membership as I expect they'll soon be busy organising one or two recreational rides there :-)

didn't realise that section called O'shannassy as well as stuff up near Warburton - to confuse google tells me WhitehorseCyclists are keeping up to date on plans for the Healesville Freeway reserve - but on checking this is for a section south and west between Springvale and Boronia roads.....

meanwhile my lunchtime googlefoo yields a document to residents from Yarra Ranges councils about planned vegetation removal and pretty bluntly saying that all consultations have been completed - this doc is dated sept 2016
(warning this is a downloadable word doc - not a web link)

https://www.yarraranges.vic.gov.au/file ... _2017.docx

this doc links back to:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/plannin ... ydale-link

with latest news being:
"Project update – August 2016
As part of the $7.4 million project funded by the Victorian Government, we're currently finalising the design of the Bayswater to Lilydale link. In preparation for the rail, pedestrian operated signals on Dorset Road and Mount Dandenong Road in Croydon have been installed.

Construction of the trail is targeted for completion in 2017."

"The next section to be completed runs from Oak Lane in Croydon South to Eastfield Road in Croydon."

so looks like reasonable possibility will happen but I won't be holding my breathe but crossing my fingers

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby BJL » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:22 pm

Thanks for the links.

I was going by the info on the Bicycle Network site which simply says 'The trail is expected to be completed by the middle of next year.', in the most recent post dated April 2015. Also judging by the pedestrian lights which were installed in 2015, I would have thought that was reasonable target. The delay on what is a simple gravel path is really inexcusable.

And I agree that the name BN used is confusing. I wish they'd get their act together and be consistent with what everyone else is calling it.

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby antigee » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:23 pm

well its "the middle of next year" and 2-3 months ago there was a good post on the (secret?) cyclingvictoria forum from someone saying had ridden albeit with much ongoing construction.....so to conclude first - its almost there and is very rideable - all major road crossings are good - weekend ride a couple of construction signs but no problems, last couple of km approaching Lilydale still to be widened but is OK (just)...one 50m section in Mooroolbark on quiet road, the rest on wide mixed gravel and concrete until arrive near Lilydale and its back to an old 1m path...no signposting of route (yet) ....rode up the Tarralla Creek trail from Dandenong Creek trail which has seen marginal improvements and cut off at the Croydon wetlands bridge to cross Norton Rd and find this:
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excellent looking sealed path ...soon becomes gravel (not that I don't mind gravel but not everyone is happy):

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then to revert to wide concrete just before Cambridge road and continuing as such (though hard to spot)

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there is a very brief on road section before Taylor Lane, Mooroolbark

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- a series of "Cyclist Dismount" signs on the prior section (heading to Lilydale) ( :-( !!)

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are sort of forgiven by a very well laid out series of graded curves on the hill after Taylor Lane:

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followed by pleasant riding thru to junction at Hull Rd / Carronvale Rd where it all stops:

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but according to Vicroads https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/plannin ... ydale-link it is planned to upgrade this section from a narrow paved then gravel (shared? - not signed as such) path thru to Hull Wetlands and the unposted Olinda Creek trail to Lilydale Lake and Lilydale

edit forget to say it is pretty easy to follow on OSM

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby Scintilla » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:20 pm

The trail to Lilydale from the Hull Road rail crossing...... should go along the rail line :!: :!:

How freakin' hard is it to work out, really? :x

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby BJL » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:22 am

Scintilla wrote:The trail to Lilydale from the Hull Road rail crossing...... should go along the rail line :!: :!:

How freakin' hard is it to work out, really? :x


That's what I've always thought. At least map out the land required and reserve it before it all gets subdivided and built upon. They could have also avoided the steep hill at Cambridge Rd by routing the trail further along the pipeline to Pembroke Rd where it could have joined up with an existing shared path heading back to where it crosses Cardigan Rd.

In addition, I think they could have easily built a trail along the railway line all the way to Croydon and possibly Ringwood. Also in addition, they should be building a trail along the Healesville Freeway corridor between Kilsyth and Bayswater.

I guess I can still dream.

The funny thing about this trail is that if they ever do build the Healesville Freeway, it's largely going to be the sealed sections that will be ripped up to make way. Also got to laugh at the 'cyclists dismount' signs. If they used the same criterion everywhere for those signs, I'd have to walk my bike halfway across Melbourne every time I go for a ride. :lol:

Overall, it's not too bad but it's a let down after years of waiting. I'm disappointed they didn't asphalt the entire pipeline section like they did the first bit. :?

It's also bemusing at Cambridge Rd (north side) to see the 'Shared Path Ends' signs on the old shared trail along Cambridge Rd. Isn't this a shared path anymore? I walked my dog along there last week and there's still 'Shared Path' and 'Think Helmet' signs all along the section to Mooroolbark roundabout?

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby rodneycc » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:08 pm

Great work. Awesome updates, Thanks Antigee/ BJL.
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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby Mike Ayling » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:45 am

BJL wrote:
Scintilla wrote:The trail to Lilydale from the Hull Road rail crossing...... should go along the rail line :!: :!:

How freakin' hard is it to work out, really? :x




The funny thing about this trail is that if they ever do build the Healesville Freeway,


This is not going to happen. VicRoads has given over the starting section from Springvale Road for development as public open space which may include a bike path at some stage.

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby BJL » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:39 pm

Mike Ayling wrote:
BJL wrote:
Scintilla wrote:The trail to Lilydale from the Hull Road rail crossing...... should go along the rail line :!: :!:

How freakin' hard is it to work out, really? :x




The funny thing about this trail is that if they ever do build the Healesville Freeway,


This is not going to happen. VicRoads has given over the starting section from Springvale Road for development as public open space which may include a bike path at some stage.

Mike


I was under the impression that VicRoads had abadoned the entire Healesville Freeway corridor, but a large chunk of it came up as option 'D' for the North East Link project. The section between Eastlink and Coldstream really does need to be built at some stage as it would go a long way to alleviating traffic congestion in Croydon, Mooroolbark, Lilydale, Montrose and everywhere in between. Traffic out here is only going to get a lot worse with every second house being ripped down and replaced with 3-4 town houses.

But I'll concede that it won't happen in my lifetime.

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby cycles gitane » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:06 pm

BJL wrote:
Mike Ayling wrote:
BJL wrote:


The funny thing about this trail is that if they ever do build the Healesville Freeway,


This is not going to happen. VicRoads has given over the starting section from Springvale Road for development as public open space which may include a bike path at some stage.

Mike


I was under the impression that VicRoads had abadoned the entire Healesville Freeway corridor, but a large chunk of it came up as option 'D' for the North East Link project.


VicRoads has declared the Healesville Freeway reservation between Springvale rd and Boronia Rd as no longer required for a freeway.
The reservation East of Boronia rd is still on their books for future freeway use.
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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby Mike Ayling » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:33 am

cycles gitane wrote:
VicRoads has declared the Healesville Freeway reservation between Springvale rd and Boronia Rd as no longer required for a freeway.
The reservation East of Boronia rd is still on their books for future freeway use.


Oops, didn't know that.

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Re: Taralla Creek to Lilydale link (Pipetrack/Freeway reserve) updates?

Postby Scintilla » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:13 pm

BJL wrote:The section between Eastlink and Coldstream really does need to be built at some stage as it would go a long way to alleviating traffic congestion in Croydon, Mooroolbark, Lilydale, Montrose and everywhere in between. Traffic out here is only going to get a lot worse with every second house being ripped down and replaced with 3-4 town houses.

Build. More. Roads.

Get. More. Traffic!

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