Floating Walkway being removed

Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby nitramluap » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:10 pm

master6 wrote:There seems to be a wide spread desire for "flat" facilities in many of the posts here. I dont understand this, as the earth is not flat, and Brisbane is far from flat. Today people have bicycles with more gears than a Mack truck, and low gears that would enable them to consider towing a Mack truck. Are we encouraging the development of a group of limp wristed people who want exercise without sweat, effort, or the occasional deep breathing? Golly, I dont want to spoil my makeup! :D :D
Apart from the exercise benefit of some uphill work, there is the reward and thrill of the resulting descent.
Try it. You might like it.


I know all about hill climbing and fast descents. :D



I'm quite at home hill climbing on my Colnago as well but none of this is relevant for when I'm riding to the city or beyond (New Farm, etc). I enjoy not having to break a sweat sometimes.

The bicycle is much more than just a piece of exercise or sporting equipment and there are many people who would like to use it to get around town without having to define themselves as 'cyclists' or that their journey is 'exercise'. There is also much more to it than the gradient - if there was a cycleway with the same grade as Bowen Terrace but without the possibility of ANY motorised traffic impinging on that space then I think the young and old would use it.

The reality is that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of car movements there every day; many bus movements and plenty of intersection & driveways to be wary of. To be safe you have to cycle well out of the door-zone which would put you in the middle of the road and if there is a lot of traffic, the pressure to 'keep up'. I can see why many of the previous users of the Riverwalk now no longer use it.

If they can reduce the grades for all the new motorways around town, they can at least make an effort to make things easier and safer for people using bicycles.
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby ZepinAtor » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:02 pm

master6 wrote:There seems to be a wide spread desire for "flat" facilities in many of the posts here. I dont understand this, as the earth is not flat, and Brisbane is far from flat.



Correct you are. Brisbane is not flat.

So after riding to Samford, Kobble Creek, Dayboro, Mt Mee, Cabulture & back home (150km & 2000 +m of ascent) the last thing I want is a hilly bike path or alternate route (due to the missing bike path).

It's occasionally nice to float along without having to put pressure on the pedals or even have to change gears for that matter. The Kedron Brooke bike path, Boondal wetlands, Redcliffe loop is another very "flat" ride destination. From home for me it's 100km with only 250m of ascent. Couldn't get much flatter than that which is why I jump on the SS roadie & spin along at 30km/hr with the headphones on in my own little world. Can't see a problem with that & I'd say neither do the other 3 thousand riders per week who use it.
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby beauyboy » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:15 am

Thats the point everybody should be riding a bike not just the sterotype but everybody! That is why facilities such as the then Floating Walkway are needed.

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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby master6 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:37 pm

beauyboy wrote:Thats the point everybody should be riding a bike not just the sterotype but everybody! That is why facilities such as the then Floating Walkway are needed.

Donald

Ok Donald, maybe, just a little bit maybe, a facility is needed here. Only maybe! Can you understand the anger of ratepayers when they see their money squandered by engineers and other fools who dream up unworkable projects just to show us how clever they are? The ongoing maintenance bill has been large and repetitive, and would have gone on forever, but for the good that came from this flood. Not much Good I know, and I am not forgetting the immense suffering that it brought.

It reminds me of the BCC decision to install pontoons up and down the river. At great expense, a pontoon was installed at the Fig Tree Pocket boat ramp. Some few months later, when the "experts " were advised by ordinary river using citizens that the pontoon was in fact a menace to users of the beach and boat ramp, it was removed, again at some expense.

Building a bike/walk way over water is vastly more expensive per km than simply paving a pathway through a park reserve. Can we trust these ego handicapped engineers and others to give us something that is sensible, workable, and reliable? Once bitten twice shy!

Do you know what the BCC intention is on this matter?

As an aside, can you further enlighten me about the "stereotype" (cyclist I presume)?
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby Oxford » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:38 pm

we need to remember as well that the floating walkway was an ego trip by Mr Soorley wanting to thumb his nose at the Brisbane riverside landholders. we (well not me I live in MBRC) ended up with this hideously expensive to maintain let alone build behemoth because quite rightly riverside landholders wanted to maintain their riverside land that they had paid for. no amount of compensation was enough so Soorley went ahead anyway landing BCC with a design nightmare (had to be able to let the riverside landholders access the river with their boats from home jettys) and a maintenance bill that would probably install bikepaths annually across the shire well into the future.

as much as I liked the occasional ride on it, personally if its not replaced I will not shed a tear. surely there are less costly, sensible and still as safe alternatives if only BCC would put their ego aside and think outside the square.
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby master6 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:57 pm

Oxford wrote:we need to remember as well that the floating walkway was an ego trip by Mr Soorley wanting to thumb his nose at the Brisbane riverside landholders. we (well not me I live in MBRC) ended up with this hideously expensive to maintain let alone build behemoth because quite rightly riverside landholders wanted to maintain their riverside land that they had paid for. no amount of compensation was enough so Soorley went ahead anyway landing BCC with a design nightmare (had to be able to let the riverside landholders access the river with their boats from home jettys) and a maintenance bill that would probably install bikepaths annually across the shire well into the future.

as much as I liked the occasional ride on it, personally if its not replaced I will not shed a tear. surely there are less costly, sensible and still as safe alternatives if only BCC would put their ego aside and think outside the square.

Yes , I recall. Typical Soorley action. I am not without some sympathy for those who miss it, however I do have a limit to the amount of my rates being wasted on extravagance.
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby nitramluap » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:59 pm

Oxford wrote:we need to remember as well that the floating walkway was an ego trip by Mr Soorley wanting to thumb his nose at the Brisbane riverside landholders. we (well not me I live in MBRC) ended up with this hideously expensive to maintain let alone build behemoth because quite rightly riverside landholders wanted to maintain their riverside land that they had paid for. no amount of compensation was enough so Soorley went ahead anyway landing BCC with a design nightmare (had to be able to let the riverside landholders access the river with their boats from home jettys) and a maintenance bill that would probably install bikepaths annually across the shire well into the future.

as much as I liked the occasional ride on it, personally if its not replaced I will not shed a tear. surely there are less costly, sensible and still as safe alternatives if only BCC would put their ego aside and think outside the square.


I agree, in part:
Nobody is suggesting that it be replaced with a similar floating design
Everyone here agrees that the floating structure was excessive and a maintenance black hole
...but the link it provided was vital.

There is no reason why a replacement can't be similar to the bikeway/walkway at Teneriffe with property owners having access to it if they wish. If they want a private pontoon, they will need to cross the bikeway to access it on the river side of the bikeway - and they can pay for it.

I personally detest people permanently parking their private property on public land/water - be that a boat, car or otherwise. The number of private boats & badly built pontoons that ended up blocking our neighbourhood's stormwater drainage (and raising the flood level by an extra metre) was astounding...

Similarly, those folks with beachfront homes on the coast who claim part of the beach as 'private property' really anger me. The privatisation of public space is not healthy (large shopping centres fall into this category too - inside out 'shopping streets', privately owned & run and ultimately unpleasant places where nobody wins...)

...I'm getting off topic - been reading too much Kunstler. Where's my wine? :shock:
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby beauyboy » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:00 pm

The sterotype cyclists is quite simple, 18 to 50 years of age and male.

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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby Oxford » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:12 pm

agree, converting public space to semi permanent private use is not good, but it was something that was allowed and paid for so must remain. otherwise all cars parked on public roads outside residences should be removed as well if they are parked outside an owners property, why should we pay for them to be able to park their car on the road, it should be on their own property? the implications of this line of reasoning are unlimited.
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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby beauyboy » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:03 pm

It should be pointed out that the Floating walkway reconstuction was not included the Council Budget but the State Budget.

A bit confusing

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Re: Floating Walkway being removed

Postby ldrcycles » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:47 pm

I only rode on the floating path twice (not being a resident of brisbane) but i absolutely loved it, it felt fantastic to ride on, and it was such an experience i thought it would be motivation in itself to get people riding. Yes the cost was ridiculous but if they just designed it properly (which they now have the opportunity to do) it should be fine.

I agree entirely with making cycle commuting routes as flat as possible, if we want to get people out of cars, the alternative has to be easy, not steeper than Alpe d'Huez.
There's a bike/foot path alongside the David Low Way on the Sunshine Coast which follows the contours of the land (ie it's ridiculously steep up and down) which is damn near unused as a result.

The best bike infrastructure for most situations IMO is clearly designated and respected cycle lanes, of course that requires better education of drivers.
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