Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
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Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby biker jk » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:45 pm
Carpenter Matt Dennis said his frustration with the cyclists reached boiling point after he was stuck behind a group of six on Hedges Avenue at Broadbeach about 5.30am yesterday.
The dashcam footage shows a group of cyclists riding three-abreast in the vehicle lane rather than the dedicated cycling lane.
It resulted in a fiery clash with Mr Dennis beeping the cyclists, yelling at them to ‘get in the cycle lane’ and calling them a ‘bunch of f**ktards’.
Full article and video in link below.
https://goo.gl/TSidba
It's behind a paywall so you can Google 'Bunch of f**ktards': Cyclists, motorist in fiery clash on Gold Coast to access the article/video.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby bychosis » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:25 pm
As for 'who was in the wrong'. No idea, wasn't there.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:31 pm
I like the comment from the guy "who are they to tell me how fast I want to drive".
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby MichaelB » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:37 pm
He was a goose getting that upset, but at the same time, the cyclists weren't real smart.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby jindydiver » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:16 pm
In the vid, at 27seconds, and again at 33 seconds you can see the arrow next to the bike logo on the road.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby biker jk » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:41 pm
Yes, I think what confused the driver is that there is a bi-directional bicycle lane earlier in Hedges Ave.jindydiver wrote:On google earth you can clearly see that the "bike lane" that is on the right of those riders has arrows indicating it is for bike travelling the other way. Those riders were using the road as it was intended and if the guy in his car can't just join in the traffic like everyone else then maybe he should not be driving at all.
In the vid, at 27seconds, and again at 33 seconds you can see the arrow next to the bike logo on the road.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:14 am
"They didn't mention it on the news" he said.
"Of course they didn't" I said.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Andrew09 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:11 am
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby find_bruce » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:14 am
Yikes, looks like a debacle all round - are there many cyclists brave enough to ride against the flow with nothing to protect you but a bit of paint?silentC wrote:I grabbed this screenshot to show someone who was complaining about 'those bloody cyclists on the Gold Coast'.
"They didn't mention it on the news" he said.
"Of course they didn't" I said.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby ball bearing » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:25 am
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Andrew09 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:32 am
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby biker jk » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:40 am
So do I. The article referred to the group riding three abreast which is wrong, let along the claim of four abreast. The only fault I can see is that one rider is wider than the maximum 1.5 metre separation permitted.Andrew09 wrote:I see three rows of two abreast.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:48 am
Obviously the intention there is to provide a way for bicycle progress north and south whilst maintaining the one way for cars. Bicycles travelling with the traffic can use the traffic lane.
I can just imagine some potential head ons there if you have a bunch of cyclists like that travelling in the traffic lane and old mate tradie gets impatient, crosses the paintwork and into a bunch going the other way in the cycle lane.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby ball bearing » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:58 am
Whatever, I almost never have nasty encounters with motorists.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:25 pm
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Andrew09 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:46 pm
Ah , the old HTDG. Of course!silentC wrote:I think it would require hypothetical trans dimensional geometry to draw a straight line between any 4 of those 6 riders...
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby bychosis » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:06 pm
It also looks like there is no parking on the side for motorised traffic, and cars are required to cross the cycle lane to park. What numbnuts designed that?silentC wrote:Obviously the intention there is to provide a way for bicycle progress north and south whilst maintaining the one way for cars. Bicycles travelling with the traffic can use the traffic lane.
I can just imagine some potential head ons there if you have a bunch of cyclists like that travelling in the traffic lane and old mate tradie gets impatient, crosses the paintwork and into a bunch going the other way in the cycle lane.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby A_P » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:28 pm
Now its a one way st with a bi-directional bike lane.
Works well most of the time.
If your northbound , at the end you have to leave the bike lane and merge to the lefthand side of the car lane .
Mornings and afternoons the bike lane is full of walkers, joggers and pram pushers.
Safer larger bunches to use the carlane, and its only a 30 zone
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:58 pm
https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-28.037 ... 6656?hl=en
Then cyclists are required to go across into the left lane:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-28.037 ... 6656?hl=en
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby jindydiver » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:47 pm
You can see in this picture that the bikes on the road are in orange. Doesn't that signify that bikes are able to ride both ways between the orange lines (obviously staying left). The sign in this pic is pointing out that from there on (if travelling North) you are not allowed to ride on the right hand side.silentC wrote:OK, so it is bi-directional up to here:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/(AT)-28.037 ... 6656?hl=en
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Cheesewheel » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:04 pm
+1 on thatA_P wrote:Hedges use to be a two way st, a very narrow rat run with a skinny footpath.
Now its a one way st with a bi-directional bike lane.
Works well most of the time.
If your northbound , at the end you have to leave the bike lane and merge to the lefthand side of the car lane .
Mornings and afternoons the bike lane is full of walkers, joggers and pram pushers.
Safer larger bunches to use the carlane, and its only a 30 zone
Its flat and on a bicycle you have to watch so you don't exceed the speed limit, what to speak law abiding anger prone tradies.
Despite the numerous "bicycle only" signs it is not uncommon to be clogged up with all sorts of other pedestrian traffic at a ratio of about 10:1 .... much like cigarette smoking at bus stops underneath the signs cautioning fines, its one of those things that has a history of enforcement of about zero.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby silentC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:16 pm
That image is looking south and the second one is looking north. My read of it is that the bicycle lane is bi-directional up to the 'END' sign, at which point northbound cyclists using that cycle lane are expected to cross to the left lane.
I read somewhere this morning that a police spokesperson has indicated the cyclists were using the road correctly, so it's just another motorist having a whinge.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Thoglette » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:44 pm
Especially given there's a four lane highway about 50m to the east.silentC wrote: so it's just another motorist having a whinge.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby biker jk » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:33 pm
To the west.Thoglette wrote:Especially given there's a four lane highway about 50m to the east.silentC wrote: so it's just another motorist having a whinge.
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Re: Tradie versus cyclists, who's in the wrong?
Postby Thoglette » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:49 pm
biker jk wrote:To the west.
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