Same here. A loop including Mt Lofty and EoH makes it about 56 - 60km for me. Great ride though.eeksll wrote: ..I think I might, only thing is I ride for 40 min to get to the base of norton summit so this ends up being quite a big ride, for me at least.
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Re: Norton Summit
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Re: Norton Summit
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby rustychisel » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:10 pm
I called Campbelltown Council on Monday morning, reported it as best I could remember the location and in the full knowledge that right around there is the boundary between Campbelltown Council and the Hills Council, thus affecting who is responsible.
Had a phone call 45 minutes later: the relevant council officer had gone for a drive straight up there to try and locate the problem, but unable to. Could I provide accurate assistance? No.
Tuesday evening I drove up Montacute, up and down a couple of times and I cannot find the spot either, but I'm sure there's something there. I just can't find it, so my recollection of 'below the washaway' might be in error.
Gotta say I'm completely impressed with the Campbelltown Council response to this, if I was able to accurately locate the problem I'm sure they'd have it fixed by now. Thumbs up to a bloke named Jeff Manuel.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby liamb » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:53 pm
For what it is worth the "hole" "bump" I hit was on the down track about 300m-500m past an entry to the Morialta conservation park. A few weeks back I did the Operation Flinders 34km walk and remember walking up Montacute road from an exit from Black Hill Park to the Morialta Park. The entry to the park is uphill and a goat track but has a vehicle wide gate. I know it may not help too much but it is what I remembered.
http://www.trailblazer.org.au/images/pdf/cp1-cp2.pdf
this link shows the track from Athelstone to Morialta HP2 is where we walked along the road up to the entry to Morialta Park.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby Solirossi » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:38 am
I would suggest using the 'standard' markers as its a mensurable yard stick. If you decide to enter your times in to cycle2max it will work out your power output watts/kg etc... so by using a different set of 'points' you negate your ability to utilise all the tools available on the net. Also when ever you speak to someone who does Nortons they will always quote their time between the two recognised markers. So its a better comparison.
That way if you are riding with someone for the first time and you know they do it in x mins then you have an idea of thier fitness/how much pain they will put you in.
I would say 20mins is the 'par' time. If you can do it in 20 then you are going well, if you are outside of 20 then you could improve. Dont get me wrong everyone is different. BUt yeah my goal lis 20, my previous best is 21, but iv not done a big effort up there for a while.
I rode it pretty easy 2 weeks ago on a Saturday morning and there were 2 guys in particular that were flying up there. I was in the saddle doing about 14 or 15kph at this one point and I just heard a 'woosh woosh woosh' then this guy in a Bicycle Express kit just came hammering past out of the saddle, it was a steep bit and I would guess he was doing east 25kph, there was another Super Elliots rider who did the same thing. Both those guys Id guess would be doing it in the 14's I'd say.
There is also a video of Jack Bobridge doing the climb in 11.50. THis is the record, FYI that is around 400 Watts at an average speed of 29kph!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fk_-7VVf6M
Its a great climb, i dont time it every time but I think its good to have a climp that you do time as it gives a good fitness indicator.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby liamb » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:26 pm
I will still use my markers because its where I started, but I will have a look at the time as I cross the line up the top to give me a braggimg right time . I am not interested in adding my time to lists but you are right it is good to have a common timing point to refer to.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby williamsf1 » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:35 pm
the GF at month 8 of riding .... yes 8mths only on a bike has done 4 norton summits....
21.45
21.05
20.30
18.22!!!!! seriously....
I am going to be in a whole lot of pain when I ride it with her in a few days!!!! ( I've been away working, and she has had her fit touched up plus some new cranks... )
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby goudgey » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:37 am
no matter how hard I try I'm unable to crack the 20 minute barrier. My current best time is 20:22 which I thought was reasonable considering I clocked 25 minutes flat on my very first attempt some 4 months ago. I must have ridden up Norton 10 times since then. Oh well, back to training!
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby MichaelB » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:08 am
My best is 23:20 from turnoff to pub, and I'm a big guy, so I'm happy with that.
Williamsf1 - can I borrow some of your missus's watts please ?
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby rustychisel » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:52 am
I'm slower than that . Never even bothered timing it accurately.MichaelB wrote:OK, so I have no idea of where the "markers" are (top one anyway), but how much difference is there between the top mark and the pub ?
Bottom marker: rolling start when you turn left from Magill onto New NS road
Top marker: line painted across road at dead tree, just where the road deviates away from the Morialta Falls park boundary. ie, about 2km before the pub, 500m before the 'crest' (vinyard on your left). There is a largish concrete water tank before a house on the left (ie first house on the left for some km). At the driveway, big dead gum tree. Line is old and faded.
Never understood why that point is chosen, somewhat arbitrarily, since the crest of the climb comes some 500m later
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby bongo » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:06 am
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby MichaelB » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:01 pm
rustychisel wrote:I'm slower than that . Never even bothered timing it accurately.MichaelB wrote:OK, so I have no idea of where the "markers" are (top one anyway), but how much difference is there between the top mark and the pub ?
Bottom marker: rolling start when you turn left from Magill onto New NS road
Top marker: line painted across road at dead tree, just where the road deviates away from the Morialta Falls park boundary. ie, about 2km before the pub, 500m before the 'crest' (vinyard on your left). There is a largish concrete water tank before a house on the left (ie first house on the left for some km). At the driveway, big dead gum tree. Line is old and faded.
Never understood why that point is chosen, somewhat arbitrarily, since the crest of the climb comes some 500m later
Cheers Rusty, may have a look this weekend and see what I can find.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby Solirossi » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:03 pm
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby eeksll » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:55 pm
I'd say you'd be comfortably under the 20 minute mark.MichaelB wrote:OK, so I have no idea of where the "markers" are (top one anyway), but how much difference is there between the top mark and the pub ?
My best is 23:20 from turnoff to pub, and I'm a big guy, so I'm happy with that.
Williamsf1 - can I borrow some of your missus's watts please ?
When I did my sub 20 minute ride, it took me 5-6 minutes more to reach the top. From memory I did not kill myself to get to the 20 minute mark so the 5 minute ride from the line to the top was not a particularly slow ride.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby shiv » Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:56 am
last weekend I did an 18:32 to the line, then it took us just on 4 minutes to get to the pub but that was at a fairly leisurely pace. So I'd say you were around the 19 minute mark.MichaelB wrote:OK, so I have no idea of where the "markers" are (top one anyway), but how much difference is there between the top mark and the pub ?
My best is 23:20 from turnoff to pub, and I'm a big guy, so I'm happy with that.
Williamsf1 - can I borrow some of your missus's watts please ?
My goal is to beat my best, 17:55, by christmas. Need to lose 4 kilo first though.
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Re: Norton Summit
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby shiv » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:21 pm
bongo wrote:Should this thread become a post your best Norton Summit time thread.Challenge yourself and each other?
Yep. Why not. But do we time to the house (number 169) or all the way to the pub? Or both.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby DanielS » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:09 pm
I think the unoffical end point is at No. 169 because it flattens out a little bit after that. If you go all the way to the pub there is quite a bit of flat road and even some downhill. If you include those sections its not really a 'pure' test of climbing ability any more. It also messes up the power calculations on sites like cycle2max because it relies on it being roughly the same gradient the whole way up.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby rustychisel » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:33 pm
This is understood, but the 'crest' is still some 500m further on. After the tree (#169) the gradient is similar to lower down alongside the falls for a time, then kicks for a short burst as you know.DanielS wrote: I think the unoffical end point is at No. 169 because it flattens out a little bit after that. If you go all the way to the pub there is quite a bit of flat road and even some downhill. If you include those sections its not really a 'pure' test of climbing ability any more.
Got your horses and carts mixed up there Daniel. Gradient is never constant, so the argument should actually be "sites like cycle2max cannot handle the complex calculations required if the gradient is a variable".It also messes up the power calculations on sites like cycle2max because it relies on it being roughly the same gradient the whole way up.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby Solirossi » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:18 pm
Daniels point was well made and logical, I dont think its necessary to highlight how a change in semantics make his original statement more accurate.rustychisel wrote:This is understood, but the 'crest' is still some 500m further on. After the tree (#169) the gradient is similar to lower down alongside the falls for a time, then kicks for a short burst as you know.DanielS wrote: I think the unoffical end point is at No. 169 because it flattens out a little bit after that. If you go all the way to the pub there is quite a bit of flat road and even some downhill. If you include those sections its not really a 'pure' test of climbing ability any more.
Got your horses and carts mixed up there Daniel. Gradient is never constant, so the argument should actually be "sites like cycle2max cannot handle the complex calculations required if the gradient is a variable".It also messes up the power calculations on sites like cycle2max because it relies on it being roughly the same gradient the whole way up.
I did it in 21.30 on Saturday morning, I went out for too hard and was stuffed a third of the way up. Does anyone know the average speed required to crack the 20 mark? is it about 17kph?
I have to up my training and get stronger.
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby eeksll » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:08 pm
according to google maps its 5.6km so for 20 minutes that would be 5.6 * 3 = 16.8 ... so about 17 is right.Solirossi wrote: I did it in 21.30 on Saturday morning, I went out for too hard and was stuffed a third of the way up. Does anyone know the average speed required to crack the 20 mark? is it about 17kph?
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Re: Norton Summit
Postby williamsf1 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:20 am
She is only tiny at 52kg but I think currently is something like 3.6 power to weight now....MichaelB wrote:OK, so I have no idea of where the "markers" are (top one anyway), but how much difference is there between the top mark and the pub ?
My best is 23:20 from turnoff to pub, and I'm a big guy, so I'm happy with that.
Williamsf1 - can I borrow some of your missus's watts please ?
I think the big gain came from turning a slightly lower RPM (AT) about 70-80 instead of her usual 90 climbing.... so about 2 cogs up!
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Re: Norton Summit
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