Apparently one of the Stirling City Councillor's has proposed a motion to ban cycling on the coastal footpath between Scarborough and Trigg, but they will trial it near Mettam's Pool (Watermans)...? Which suggest's to me the ban may reach further north, even Scarborough to Hilary's maybe. Nothing has been approved yet, so not even the trial is certain to go ahead, but the BTA spokesmen has not supported the move.
All this is roughly paraphrased from the front page of the recent Stirling Times, headline caught my eye...never read the rubbish...
If it does go ahead thats kinda of sad, because all the very social, layback riders who enjoy cycling with their children etc. will be forced onto the road, ultimately cycling would just reduce along the coastal path. Though you are allowed to walk your bike through the zone if you still wish to pass through it. I think the term coined in the article was 'Pedestrian Safe Zone' though correct me if I'm wrong, I have a dodgy memory at the best of times...
Disappointing. Though I don't know the track (have never been to WA ), we've a similar spot here. The ride along the beaches is a nice, gentle doddle with room for cyclists and pedestrians, apart from one stretch where bikes are banned. This forces cyclists up onto the nearby road which through there is very narrow and very busy - it's downright scary. Oh, and the strip of 'peds only'? There's plenty of room to make the path twice as wide and it just happens to snake through some landscaped sand dunes in front of a development of townhouses Not that I'm cynical about developers with money or anything
It is on the agenda for the June 5, 2007 meeting of the Council, so I guess it was discussed. The City of Stirling has not yet released its minutes of the meeting so no more information from the Council other than the agenda item detailed below.
The following is taken from the Agenda papers for the June 5, 2007 Council Meeting:
Just typical!! That stretch is a wide, two lane job...though you ALWAYS have to go really slow as the pedestrians take both lanes in both directions. I just wouldn't ride that route ever again if that happened.
It may not affect the council, but me and a group of mates would never end up at Scarborough for a late breaky or early lunch, or drink, or a swim, or anything. As we wouldn't be able to ride there, we wouldn't go at all. I ain't duck walking in my bike shoes along that stretch...it is huge.
I know I'm just one voice, but surely councils can't afford to get rid of "tourists" from neighbouring areas who bring in money?
Also, I'm looking at buying a new house and we were looking along the coastal strip...not around there we aren't...now.
The road along there is narrow (if they have put it back together again!!) and very busy being along the beach. And I reckon the cars are unpredictable as most poeple are busy watching the ocean. I've tried it once, got very scared, and resorted to the path. Mate and his bunch were hit by a car along there a few months back...$20k damage in bikes
Not to mention families. There are heaps of kids on bikes learning to ride along there and they go there cos it is wide and safe.
No wonder global warming is a real issue - councils aren't doing anything to assist people with environmentally friendly modes of transport like in other countries (you can salary sacrifice a bike in some whereas here, you can only SS a car and the more km's you do the better off you are).
I'll get down off my box now...
So they will be lowering the speed limit on the adjacent road to 10kph to make it suitable for parents with small children to ride there bikes along the roadway instead?
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?
Why not let the Council know your views? Your comments seem to me to be be valid.
We can't expect things to be as we want if we don't participate in the decision making process. It shouldn't be left just up to the BTA.
Expressing one's frustrations in forums such as this is good, but we shouldn't expect Councils to monitor these forums. If we don't let them know directly we can't expect them to respond to our concerns or at least consider them.
I strongly encourage everyone (WA and elsewhere) concerned to let the Council know directly. The council's web address is stirling.wa.gov.au and their email address is [email protected] .
perhaps the local businesspersons' group would be interested in this loss of business also, not only yourself but also family groups who may ride from a to b then have a coffee and meal break before heading back.
"Council puts children in danger"
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?
I agree with Moo's points 100%. And also the suggestion about e-mailing the council direct which I will do. Further to Moo, my main points of concern are (which will form part of my e-mail):-
1) Why is this being done? Is there evidence of known conflicts / accidents? If so can we see the evidence? Does the 'cost' of the solution outweigh the 'problem' it attempts to resolve?
2) What are the alternatives to the bike lane? Anybody who knows this area knows it's a very skinny road for cyclists (hence the extra wide dual use bike lane in place). (There is no cycle strip on the road until you hit Hilary's). Common sense would dictate that cyclists are not going to dismount at regular intervals along a path.
3) Are you aware of the economic cost? Any cyclist whose been there at the weekend knows how busy the cafes are with "cafe racers". How certain are you that they will keep returning once the "safety" zones are introduced?
Let me know if you have any other questions and I'll include them.
This path forms part of my 100km circular ride that I do. I've been there over a dozen times in the last few months and I've never seen any problems whatsoever (including the 'busy' periods of summer and long weekends).
And finally, there's a stack of female talent on those paths and it would be a shame to lose the eye candy!
If I'm fit again by the weekend then I'll take some pics of the bike lanes if anybody from the East wants to see the current path. Then hopefully you'll realise how ludicrous this suggestion is.
It isn't just female talent...some nice surfer boyz for candy
I'll be emailing too and seeing what I can find on their website about the outcome of the meeting over the weekend (damn work!!)
Mentioned this to my parents last night as they are up from down south and had just driven the coastal route. They understood my frustration as they themselves admitted to looking/flicking to the view whilst driving...as every single person does (and they lie if they say they don't).
Over summer in particular, we rode that strip a few times per week and, apart from the normal minority pedestrian abuse, never saw anything odd. I say minority pedestrian abuse as some seem to ignore the 2 lanes and walk 4 abreast anyway and expect bikes to go round (over the dunes ).
Not everyone does this and I have had many polite chats with walkers (not wearing ipods )...had a bunch of grey ladies whom I slowed right down for and when they moved out of the way (all giggling) I joked that now I had no excuse but to go faster and wear myself out. They had a great laugh at my "misfortune". Yet others have held the 4 abreast and told me to give way to pedestrians
I'll be using some examples of "abuse" both from pedestrians and cars (like having things thrown at me when on the road) in my email too. Not to mention the greenhouse gas thing.
Perhaps a 10kmh zone would be better...but then I suppose we run the risk of the whole path being zoned...sigh
I don't think this ban covers touring bikes, so I should be right
I've heard of similiar things, and depending on who funded the construction of the bike path, it will be interesting to see if they can enforce this.
A dual use path is precisely that, and a bicycle can be used. So is council bylaw over ridden by state law?
If they do this. I'll still ride my bike there. I rode the freeway until the police kicked me off
I got escorted?? (followed) to the next off ramp after a stern talking to. There was no sign that said "No Bicycles". It had been flattened by a car.
The secret is to plead ignorance and pretend that you are from interstate
For what it is worth, I've put my comments into the council.
On another note, there is a meeting to be held in Mt Hawthorn (June 21) and Booragoon (June 22) to discuss the Perth Bicycle Network.
I've got the details (you need to email to confirm attendance) if anyone is interested.
Please find below the decision at June 5, 2007 Council meeting. Quoted from the minutes, item 13.2.
I think it is "Bike West Community Consultation" but I could be wrong. You could ask the Council and then let us all know.
after reading the resolution it looks like they are only planning the 'Pedestrian Only Safety Zone' in selected areas, not the complete cycleway between Scarborough and Trigg. I assume this would be around the Scarborough forshore and surf club and the Trigg surf club which if you really think about is are accidents waiting to happen.
Get off and walk... Is the council going to pay for my cleats?
On Sydney's Pyrmont bridge, they have a 10kph speed limit for bikes.
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If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?
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