City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby softy » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:56 pm

Talks_to_Swans wrote:I feel that it's more for the taxi's than the cyclists, but yesterday I noticed that in lieu of ever getting safe cycle facilities on Barrack Street people are now legally allowed to cycle in the bus lane according to the signs. Hurray!


Thats great, but don't get hit by a bus!

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby nachoman » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:43 pm

Saw this tonight on the Barrack St bridge between Wellington St and Roe St. Dismount please approaching Wellington St

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby rolandp » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:58 am

nachoman wrote:Saw this tonight on the Barrack St bridge between Wellington St and Roe St. Dismount please approaching Wellington St

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Very Interesting.

The City of Perth recently approved TENDER NO: 027-14/15 – MANUFACTURE, SUPPLY AND INSTALLATION OF A THERMOPLASTIC SIGNAGE / SYMBOL SUITE on 18-Nov-2014..

Examples in the minutes include:
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Is there a legal requirement for cyclists to dismount? If so, why? It is a shared path (or I assume it is), then we should be about to ride without having to dismount. If it is not a shared path, then why have any of these signs on the path.

Interesting, I'm still waiting for the LEGAL signs to be installed on several sections of shared paths (the legal ones defined by Road Traffic Act) - shouldn't these be installed first before the 'pretty' ones?

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:20 am

It's cute that Clowncils still think anyone will pay any attention to signs telling you to dismount.

Even stupider is that CoP are designating that path as a shared path to connect the PSP with the Barrack Street lanes. So they will have to remove this pointless path symbol :drunk:

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Red Rider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:36 am

I noticed the shared path sign on this bridge yesterday, this one:
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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:02 pm

So does that conflict with the 'please dismount' or?

As an aside, I find it amusing when I see "cyclists dismount" signs at really narrow bridges etc. - surely you take up less room and are less of an obstruction when you're riding the bike as opposed to wheeling it next to you? :drunk:

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Sinner » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:04 pm

I think it's a dismount as the crossings at Wellington Street are only for pedestrians at the moment. There are no cycle lanterns. So when can a cyclists proceed? If it's on a traffic phase then you need to be on the road. If it's on a pedestrian phase, then legally you need to dismount. The signs shown are not legal but advisory. Main Roads are responsible for the legal signs.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby dmwill » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:15 pm

dmwill wrote:Noticed what looks to be a dedicated cycle lane on Wellington Street outside the new developments. Probably the only 100m or so of quality dedicated lane we'll ever see.


Brother works on one of these sites, confirmed it is a cycle lane, but will only stretch as far as the new buildings/development there (apparently it's a requirement given the bicycle facilities the new buildings will have).

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Red Rider » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:42 pm

Sinner wrote:I think it's a dismount as the crossings at Wellington Street are only for pedestrians at the moment. There are no cycle lanterns. So when can a cyclists proceed? If it's on a traffic phase then you need to be on the road. If it's on a pedestrian phase, then legally you need to dismount. The signs shown are not legal but advisory. Main Roads are responsible for the legal signs.

Had a look, you're right, the 'please dismount' signage is on approach to the intersection. Further north it just says to share. There is a proper 'shard path end' sign next to the Wellington St crossing for the path heading east along Wellington.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:47 pm

Thanks Sinner & Red Rider

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby rolandp » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:32 am

Works and Urban Development Committee Agenda for CoP indicates:
$2.4 million dollars from the Perth Parking Management Fund has been allocated to the implementation of new on road cycle lanes along a key north south corridor on Barrack Street between Riverside Drive and St Georges Terrace.

If we compare this with CoP Bike Plan:
BarrackSt - between Riverside Drive and Wellington St – create on-road cycle lanes in north and south bound direction, treatment at various intersections for bicycle priority - $120,000

So why are the figures so significantly different, in particular, the first figure is only for Riverside Drive to St Georges Tce, the second is all the way to Wellington St.

The distance between Riverside Drive and Wellington St is around 300m, so this makes this development around $7.2M per km for cycle lanes. Isn't this a tad expensive when CoP's original proposal was to reduce car parking and smaller car lanes to accommodate cycle lanes.

And why is this coming out of Perth Parking Management Fund. This whole section has been rerouted 100's of times for the Elizabeth Quay project who should then be picking up the bill to put Barrack St back to how it was proposed back in 2009 (ie with cycle lanes). Or if that is not possible, put it back to how it was prior to Elizabeth Quay and then give it back to CoP who can then build the cycle lanes for $120,000 - freeing up around $2.2M for other cycling projects.

What are other's views?

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:05 am

The $2.4m is probably inclusive of all the temporary works, signal adjustments, service adjustments etc.
Doesn't really matter who picks up the bill, it all comes from the State Govt in the end.
The $120k estimate would have only allowed for line-marking and green paint with maybe some minor kerbing alterations

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Sinner » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:50 pm

Barrack Street needs to be widened on the western side to accommodate 4 traffic and 2 cycle lanes between Riverside Drive and The Esplanade. There's management costs, main contractor costs, sub-contractor costs, traffic signal costs and traffic management costs to name a few.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby nachoman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:30 pm

Water Corporation and City of Perth are working side by side to complete a number of upgrades along Barrack Street that will start Monday, 13 April 2015.

The works along Barrack Street will take place between St Georges Terrace and Wellington Street. Water Corporation will upgrade a water main, and City of Perth will convert Barrack Street to two-way traffic.

The two organisations are working to deliver the projects simultaneously in order to minimise disruption to the local community. Water Corporation expects the majority of the upgrade to the water main to be completed in June, with the City of Perth due to begin work in late May.

For the duration of both projects, sections of Barrack Street between St Georges Terrace and Wellington Street will be reduced to one lane northbound. Delays are expected, and road users are encouraged to take alternate routes.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby rolandp » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:07 pm

Facebook post from Bicycling WA:
Exciting news! The new and long awaited Barrack Street bike lanes will be open for business from Monday. There is still some minor works to be completed in the coming weeks but riders now have a new route through the City .... ride it people!

Well done to the City of Perth, Department of Transport and Metropolitan Redevelopment Authority.


My response:
BWA, why is this 'well done'? these lanes are 6 years late and costing an additional $2.3m in funds from Perth Parking Levy which should have been used to build more bike lanes in the Perth CBD. BWA, can you please clarify exactly why this is 'well done'?

I'm still waiting for BWA to respond to their Annual Meeting where I asked similar question to them back in April.

Will be interested to see if these new bike lanes finish at St Georges Terrace or go all the way to William St, and then what happens when we get to William St to get to Roe St.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:44 pm

It would just be Riverside Drive to St Georges Tce. North of that is still a single lane with half the road dug up to replace a water main.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Sinner » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:11 am

All the way to Wellington Street (not William, Roland) by the beginning of 2016. May be possible to deal with the link to Roe Street if the Blue CAT bus stop goes from outside the station. Otherwise I believe that the CoP designs for the Wellington Street intersection do facilitate cyclists crossing to the eastern side of the bridge.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Sinner » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:35 am

I've noticed today that they haven't finished. The northbound cycle lanes are not there in full, although there are cycle lanterns at The Esplanade for northbound cyclists on Barrack Street. Looks like they haven't finished the western side works and so still need a traffic lane and the new cycle lane.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby CycleSnail » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:57 pm

Below is the DoT announcement:

As from 8am Monday morning all traffic management will be removed from Barrack Street marking the completion of the MRA’s works and allowing cyclists to use the lanes.

Following some resurfacing works on Barrack Street this weekend the new cycle lanes on Barrack Street between Riverside Drive and The Esplanade will open to traffic at 8am on Monday. Please note the green cycle lane marking is recommended to be applied 6 weeks after asphalt works to provide proper adhesion. A such, our contractors will line mark the cycle lanes but they will apply the green marking at a later date.’
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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby rolandp » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:35 pm

Towards St Georges Tce:
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Towards Riverside Drive:
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Didn't get a chance to see how they actually cross over Riverside Drive.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:55 pm

rolandp wrote:Didn't get a chance to see how they actually cross over Riverside Drive.

They don't yet.
No northbound lane is its blocked by barriers and debris.
So it is indeed a very special day that we celebrate the opening of 200m of sealed shoulder in the southbound direction only. No doubt the next generation of cyclists will be asking their parents "Where were you on the 29th of June 2015 daddy?"

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Sinner » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:35 am

Still not finished......

Looks like the weather held them up. Barrack Street between The Esplanade and St Georges Terrace now has very wide traffic lanes as the cycle lane lines have not been marked. Looks like another week to wait......

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby wellington_street » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:57 pm

Looks like the St Georges Tce to Wellington St section is now underway with the water main works completed?

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby rolandp » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:58 pm

Water Corp may have finished (walked this route at lunch today and I though I saw open pits still), but City of Perth has works occurring until Feb-2016.

Timeline here.

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Re: City of Perth - where is the cycle lanes on Barrack St?

Postby Scott_C » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:38 pm

According to this article from the ABC the bicycle lanes are now due for completion March 2016.

Barrack Street is due to open to two-way traffic in late November, with minor works such as the bike lane surface treatment to be installed March 2016.

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