Oh, right. The route isn't very obvious when coming down William from the CBD.wellington_street wrote:That's not the shared path - the shared path is on the eastern side of the trees.BrownBike wrote:The 'dual use path' along William St isn't much chop. Not marked as such and of course, peppered with streetlight poles.
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Postby ColinOldnCranky » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:03 pm
If I guessing right then the section Wellington is referring to is not yet open, though at a glance it can't be too long now.BrownBike wrote:Oh, right. The route isn't very obvious when coming down William from the CBD.wellington_street wrote:That's not the shared path - the shared path is on the eastern side of the trees.BrownBike wrote:The 'dual use path' along William St isn't much chop. Not marked as such and of course, peppered with streetlight poles.
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Postby rolandp » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:12 pm
The 'hording' mentioned earlier, I captured below image during the 'path is open, path is closed phase', as you could not see past it, when the path was open:
Note, the southern end has not been addressed and you can't see around the shade cloth, so don't do what one twit did last Friday, and attempt to overtake on that corner, nearly taking out another cyclists coming the other way.
The lights on Friday had 'dismount signs', and above diagram has also been modified to no longer indicate 'it is OK to ride over':
There was also a large amount of diversions on The Esplanade 'shared path' on Friday lunch time, didn't ride home that evening to confirm if these had been taken down:
The Esplanade 'shared path' is made of concrete slabs, so check for cracks etc, but hopefully this is the work undertaken above, and there will be no cracks large enough to fit tyres etc.
This project has a goal of:
The application of a 40km/h speed limit throughout the main areas will enable a move away from higher volume, higher speed roads to lower speed shared-use city centre roads that are safer for cyclists and pedestrians.
I was hopeful that this could be applied now, unfortunately not, as on 19-Feb-2014, these signs were installed on the corner of William St/The Esplanade:
Interesting, Barrack St from The Esplanade to St Georges Tce is already a 40kph area:
but there is no start/end signs installed on this section of road.
So, why stick up these signs when they haven't been consistently applied in the Perth CBD, and the project has an end goal of 40kmh?
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Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:39 pm
From what I observed on Thursday the works were trowellign cement around concrete service covers.rolandp wrote: ...
The Esplanade 'shared path' is made of concrete slabs, so check for cracks etc, but hopefully this is the work undertaken above, and there will be no cracks large enough to fit tyres etc.
I am riding against the flow thru the Bell tower precinct the last few days. Though even that is getting complicated and changing day-to-day.
I'm wondering if some of us might not be better off commuting by canoe for a while.
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Postby wellington_street » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:59 pm
ColinOldnCranky wrote:I'm wondering if some of us might not be better off commuting by canoe for a while.
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Postby Aushiker » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:33 pm
From the MRA along with this blurb ....
Works are underway to create the Elizabeth Quay inlet, including construction of a temporary limestone and granite wall in the Swan River and the permanent diversion of Riverside Drive between Barrack and William streets.
From this afternoon (24 February), cyclists and pedestrians will no longer have access to the existing shared path along the Swan River foreshore. Cyclists and pedestrians will be diverted around the project area and will be required to use:
• The dual use path along the eastern side of Barrack Street.
• The dual use path on the southern side of The Esplanade.
• Temporary paths on William Street [that have been constructed inside the site boundary].
Please note, this route also requires cyclists to cross at signals or ride with the traffic. This diversion will be in place until 2015.
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Postby rolandp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:18 am
Shot on Monday morning:nachoman wrote:The Barrack St and Esplanade intersection is also very dangerous. Heading east along the Esplanade 'path', at Barrack St the pedestrian/bicycle crossing lights were not operating today, they were dark. There is a green traffic light directly opposite the path that a cyclist or pedestrian may think is applicable for them. However at the same time cars heading north on Barrack St have a left turn green arrow in the Esplanade. There is a 'Cyclist Dismount' sign here but I am worried that people will ignore the sign, see the green light and ride into perpendicular traffic, same for pedestrians.
It was like a real-life version of Frogger, as I observed several pedestrians dodging cars. Reported to MainRoads with response being:
I also asked if cycling lights could also be installed, and MainRoads have referred this question to City of Perth.This is to confirm that a report has been lodged with Main Roads WA contractors on report number RCR# 191098. This report will investigate that all pedestrian signals are working correctly at the intersection in question.
As Andrew copied from MRA's communication 'This diversion will be in place until 2015.' so take care, slow done, and don't play Frogger at this location.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby WarbyD » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:47 am
This is an accident waiting to happen.. Poorly thought out and horribly implemented. I will take the extra few KM and cross the causeway then go around South Perth foreshore to the Kwinana PSP from now on thanks..
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Postby rolandp » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:03 am
Heard back from City of Perth today as well, who were attending a meeting with MRA/MainRoads later today.
However, until cycling signs are installed, it is illegal to ride over this set of lights.
Blkmcs, thanks for providing the feedback to the site safety manager.
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Postby Aushiker » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:14 pm
Thanks Roland for doing this.rolandp wrote:
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Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:40 pm
First, as cyclists exit the new section (at 0:55 on the video) and onto the south-side path along the esplanade they come out onto unsuspecting peds travelling east from the Esplanade Station. If either some of the mesh fencing were set back further south OR a rail extended a little onto the path then both cyclists and peds would be more aware of eich other at a fairly vulnerable time.
And as most cycists will be heading the full distance to Barrack Street, whereas peds are heading off the path to the other side at every point along their, a brightly marked cyclists path on the southern edge of the path up against the fencing may work. atm cyclists travelling east tend to be passing peds on their left. (There are always a few peds and cyclists walking west.) The paint would need to be selected to minimise slip in th eocming winter months of course.
Perhaps Roland or anyone else who knows the agencies and processes involved could make some sense of what I am saying and pass it on.
I haven't seen any reckless riding in on the new windy path or that Esplanade section over the past week.
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Postby CycleSnail » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:11 pm
On Thursday the Australian Bicycle Council did a "technical ride" and used that crossing. About 80% of the 25 participants did not dismount. Some signs are best ignored ..... (Aparently a cycle lantern cost $5000???).rolandp wrote:Lights are again working at The Barrack St/The Esplanade, so the human version of Frogger should go down.
Heard back from City of Perth today as well, who were attending a meeting with MRA/MainRoads later today.
However, until cycling signs are installed, it is illegal to ride over this set of lights.
Blkmcs, thanks for providing the feedback to the site safety manager.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:34 pm
Difinition of pedestrian (Road Traffic Code 2000):
pedestrian means any person on foot or in a perambulator, or a physically disabled person in an unmotorised wheelchair or in a motorised wheelchair, and includes —
(a) a person pushing a perambulator or wheelchair; and
(b) a person wheeling a bicycle or a wheeled toy, if the person is completely dismounted from the bicycle or wheeled toy; and
(c) a person in or on a wheeled recreational device or a motorised scooter; and
(d) a person under 12 years of age in or on a wheeled toy;
Please see my previous post around Halo on Mount, where I was recently overtaken by a motorised scooter, and yet it is legally allowed to ride over this intersection.
Due to the number of pedestrian and cyclists, it is not possible to travel fast, so slow down, as this diversion is not going away quickly.
ColinOldnCranky, thanks for the suggestions, and if you can, send them off to MRA or Department of Transport. The more input from different individuals, I'm hopefully there will be more priority to resolve this area and implement a better diversion.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby citywomble » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:07 pm
I trust that constructive comments, expressed in this thread, will be seriously considered by them and acted upon where practicable.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:07 pm
Done Roland. I have PMd a copy to you FYI.rolandp wrote:
ColinOldnCranky, thanks for the suggestions, and if you can, send them off to MRA or Department of Transport. The more input from different individuals, I'm hopefully there will be more priority to resolve this area and implement a better diversion.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:20 am
I would imagine getting out of this location will be interesting, as traffic is always banked up to this location, resulting in vehicles waiting on the PSP for a free space into the traffic on The Esplanade.
So additional care is required.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:18 am
It serves a very useful purpose.jonhanson wrote:And what is happening on the other side of the belltower on the PSP ? They have cut the edges of the brown coloured bike path off with a concrete saw and replaced it with grey cement ? Did someone have some money that needed spending before the end of the financial year ? I reckon this is a bit of a strange thing to do. Doesn't serve any purpose. In fact it probably makes the bikepath a bit thinner as you wouldn't really want to ride on the new concrete bit. Aesthetics ? I can't work it out.
It reduces the amount of damage done to the compacted road base under the hot mix from water seeping under it. As an ancillary benefit it may also reduce the rate at which cooch grass encroaches (which it was doing within six months of laying).
In addition to regular reticulation, the earth around that path gets a good soaking from winter storms and it does not always leech away very quickly.The simple concrete edging should add many years of service to the path. Good for us and good for the tax payer.
The question should instead be why didn't they do it when they relaid the path a couple of years back.
I am mildly surprised that it does not go deeper. But I am neither a road engineer nor a hydrographer.
I was initially concerned that they would finish it a little higher than the bitumen. That would have made it somewhat less safe but, fortunately, the contractors seem to have known what they were doing.
If you look at the new works in South Perth it appears that they have gone to considerable effort to include concrete edging. That track should also last the distance.
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