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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby just4tehhalibut » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:47 am
Anyway, the project needs a name and I propose "the Dead Zone" on account of how it'll kill so much of the city as well as foreshore.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:22 pm
Care to explain what you mean by that statement?rustguard wrote:Haha Good onr mate, thats the funniest thing I have heard this week. roflmas.casual_cyclist wrote:but my understanding is that this is being driven by the state government, not developers and not the council
Man you crack me up!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:23 pm
Any theories on how this project will "kill so much of the city?"just4tehhalibut wrote:Anyway, the project needs a name and I propose "the Dead Zone" on account of how it'll kill so much of the city as well as foreshore.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby madrapper » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:29 pm
<Pops up head above trenches...>RobertFrith wrote:The foreshore plan owes nothing to responsible urban planning and everything to cashing up a government that fancies running another term.
I'd beg to differ on that point. It would be easy for the gumbyment to do nothing (which they are good at) and keep the sterotypical Perthite (against change) happy.
I just hope they build the bloody thing already! Too many proposals have come and gone - just build it!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby Marty Moose » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:04 pm
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:18 pm
Speaking of wetlands, I like what they have done at Point Fraser. It is so much nicer than the previous dead/dying grass. I noticed in South Perth they have been revegetating the foreshore as well. The plus side of the Point Fraser development is that it also treats stormwater.Marty Moose wrote:Gee I’m disappointed I was hoping they would turn it back into shallow flats with reeds for all the bird and fish life. Sink the esplanade and make it natural, ban boats on the water and clean up the river. Perth doesn’t need any development if people want that move to Sydney……..
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby Marty Moose » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:34 pm
Yes thats really great. The upper swan is a mess aswell i used to paddle lots up that way from ascot. Unless we act on our river it will contue to die. I'd rather see our money spent on this type of thing than developments and more speed cameras and alike.casual_cyclist wrote:Speaking of wetlands, I like what they have done at Point Fraser. It is so much nicer than the previous dead/dying grass. I noticed in South Perth they have been revegetating the foreshore as well. The plus side of the Point Fraser development is that it also treats stormwater.Marty Moose wrote:Gee I’m disappointed I was hoping they would turn it back into shallow flats with reeds for all the bird and fish life. Sink the esplanade and make it natural, ban boats on the water and clean up the river. Perth doesn’t need any development if people want that move to Sydney……..
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Postby jet-ski » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:38 pm
Problem is people get scared about that idea as well. I have started some very extreme arguments at dinner parties when I have suggested they should rehabilitate the esplanade and replant the native reed beds. Most frequently degenerating into personal attacks!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:19 pm
Marty Moose wrote: The upper swan is a mess aswell i used to paddle lots up that way from ascot. Unless we act on our river it will contue to die. I'd rather see our money spent on this type of thing than developments and more speed cameras and alike.
Constructed wetlands (with endemic plants) all the way up and down the Swan and Canning Rivers to treat stormwater entering the river system is a first step towards a healthier river. It is an important step though and the Point Reserve development demonstrates that the recreation values of the foreshore can be retained and enhanced as well as enhancing the environment. The goal should be to have no untreated stormwater entering the river. Walking in South Perth, I find the native veg nicer and more interesting to look at than dead/dying grass anyway, so...jet-ski wrote:Totally with you on that Marty Moose - return some natural vegetation to the river - its the only thing that will help filter out all the nasties washed into it from the city.
Problem is people get scared about that idea as well. I have started some very extreme arguments at dinner parties when I have suggested they should rehabilitate the esplanade and replant the native reed beds. Most frequently degenerating into personal attacks!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rustguard » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:52 am
I know it is a un-capitalist and maybe un-Australian, but I believe that the banks of waterways should ALL be kept as public spaces for all people to enjoy (yes even people from balga and armadale who will never be able to buy a piece of river) It should be against the law to have a private development within a certain distance of a waterway. Sharing is caring.
A few posters have made the point about water edge development in other city's. I also think that keeping the river and beachfront clear is an investment for future generations. As I said once this goes up it wont be coming down. Thank God for the Langley airstrip otherwise they would already have filled in all this space
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:24 am
CBD traffic to be diverted
Up to 15,000 cars a day will be diverted on to St Georges Terrace, Wellington Street and Graham Farmer Freeway once Riverside Drive is re-routed as part of the Perth waterfront project.
According to Department of Planning traffic modelling, the volume of cars on Riverside Drive will drop from the present figure of 25,000-30,000 per day to about 15,000 per day once the road is routed in 2013 around the back of the Swan River inlet due to be cut into the Esplanade foreshore.
Further details of the $440 million plan were revealed yesterday when project director Glen Finn fronted Parliament's public accounts committee.
Mr Finn said work was due to begin early next year, with the first task to dig the inlet out of the northern portion of the existing Esplanade.
If the present figure of 25,000-30,000 per day will drop to 15,000 per day, were will the 10,000-15,000 cars be going? Surely they won't be using public transport or walking/cycling.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby redned » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:16 pm
They are creating a situation where it will be impossible to drive across the city. Bike it instead!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby HappyHumber » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:24 pm
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:07 pm
+1,000,000HappyHumber wrote:I don't really follow the mainstream WA media. Is there any active protest going on about this development? I think a few more people probably need to get out and support it, rather than whinging from behind their keyboards.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby HappyHumber » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:25 pm
I did a search on the ABC News website under the WA specific site for "Perth Waterfront Development" - Skimming back through the articles, in almost made me sick all the previous governments - ALP & Liberal crowing about how it's this sort of thing is needed - back from even around 2008.casual_cyclist wrote:+1,000,000HappyHumber wrote:I don't really follow the mainstream WA media. Is there any active protest going on about this development? I think a few more people probably need to get out and support it, rather than whinging from behind their keyboards.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:02 pm
This happens on both sides so I am not attacking a party but politics in general. One side will promote something while in power the oppose it in opposition (i.e. Perth/Mandurah Rail line, Perth Stadium, Perth Waterfront). Federally, the one in opposition would lambast the government for sucking up to the US and then suck up themselves when in power. Remember, I am criticising both sides equally for this because they both do it. It's poor. Make a position in opposition, make a stand and then stick to in when in power. This constant backflipping annoys voters.HappyHumber wrote:I did a search on the ABC News website under the WA specific site for "Perth Waterfront Development" - Skimming back through the articles, in almost made me sick all the previous governments - ALP & Liberal crowing about how it's this sort of thing is needed - back from even around 2008.casual_cyclist wrote:+1,000,000HappyHumber wrote:I don't really follow the mainstream WA media. Is there any active protest going on about this development? I think a few more people probably need to get out and support it, rather than whinging from behind their keyboards.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby HappyHumber » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:30 pm
'sfunny... with the anonynimity of the internet, every little crackpot point of view or factional pinhead can find a friend and feel better about themselves by lambasting the "others" in swooping great generalisations. Not that we'd ever do that, would we kids?
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:12 pm
Yeah, it's funny that members of certain forums don't p & m about the project when it is announced by one side of politics but when (essentially) the same project is announced by the other side of politics it's the end of Perth as we know it.HappyHumber wrote:Googling a bit further afield - come across some forum with the participants for it - p'ing & m'ing about all the people against it.
'sfunny... with the anonynimity of the internet, every little crackpot point of view or factional pinhead can find a friend and feel better about themselves by lambasting the "others" in swooping great generalisations. Not that we'd ever do that, would we kids?
FWIW I thought it was a good idea to link the CBD to the river under both governments. Perth is a riverside City but is oriented east-west. To walk from Northbridge to the river is not easy or intuitive. I really feel that even from the mall it's not really that easy to access the river. Connecting the CBD to the river is a great idea!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:31 am
1991 - Premier Carmen Lawrence (lets see who is old enough to remember Carmen as premier) announced a concept diagram of the Perth Waterfront - even included a swan island (sound familiar) and a tram line.
I'm actual for the Perth Waterfront as I think this will bring the City to the river. I want what recent waterfront developments that have occured in the East and overseas to have, which includes cycling infrastructure.
There have been too many recent developments (ie East Perth Trafalgur Bridge, The Link) where it unclear or there isn't, cycle paths. I don't want the Perth Waterfront to miss out on this.
I have responded to recent requests for public feedback and will continue to do so in the future.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby elStado » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:55 pm
As for cycling access, most likely it will be poor if you look at the work CoP has done already in the city and what the stat gov is doing (or not doing) in general. Maybe that bridge will be a large shared area like what they have in Sydney?
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby jet-ski » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:17 pm
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby HappyHumber » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:31 pm
+1jet-ski wrote:The entire foreshore is a barren wasteland? That's a bit harsh elstado - lots of workers use it at lunchtimes to play sports/eat lunch etc, it is often a staging area for tris, free concerts, circuses, the red bull air race etc.... I am in the city every day and I appreciate the 'barren wasteland' for all the uses that it has!
I haven't worked in the CBD since the early 00s, but I used to be able to enjoy walking somewhere at lunch that wasn't encased/enclosed or felt like a scaled up flowerbox. Unless you're agoraphobic - what's the bad vibe with open space? I like to think of those lawn foreshore areas kind of like the old concept of a town or village common.
Oh, thanks Roland for the link to that UWA paper. Interesting skim through - and... errgh.. what could've been. On a similar vein, I recently listened to David Byrne's audiobook of "The Bicycle Diaries" talking in one chapter about those few decades after WWII and the US (and ergo, most of the western world) going nuts for Freeways... Recommended read and/or listen actually. But probably preaching to the converted here
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby blkmcs » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:32 pm
Absolutely; the only people who think it is underused are those who don't use it.jet-ski wrote:The entire foreshore is a barren wasteland? That's a bit harsh elstado - lots of workers use it at lunchtimes to play sports/eat lunch etc, it is often a staging area for tris, free concerts, circuses, the red bull air race etc.... I am in the city every day and I appreciate the 'barren wasteland' for all the uses that it has!
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby elStado » Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:43 am
I work in the city as well, about 100m away from the foreshore area. I never use it because it is flat, barren and boring. Sure there's the occasional event held on it and the occasional worker laying on the grass, but IMO, it is a waste of space considering the potential it has due to it's size, shape, proximity etc to the city centre. I can't name any other decent city where they have ~40ha of prime empty space sitting smack bang on the city foreshore that is only used by a small amount of people and events during certain months of the year... it's a joke. I am all for keeping passive/active open green spaces for people to have lunch, kick a ball, relax, have a concert etc, but you don't need 40ha to do that.blkmcs wrote:Absolutely; the only people who think it is underused are those who don't use it.jet-ski wrote:The entire foreshore is a barren wasteland? That's a bit harsh elstado - lots of workers use it at lunchtimes to play sports/eat lunch etc, it is often a staging area for tris, free concerts, circuses, the red bull air race etc.... I am in the city every day and I appreciate the 'barren wasteland' for all the uses that it has!
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