Thanks for the update Rob. That is not looking good at all
Any BicyclingWA members here? Maybe you could could contact them and ask what they are going to do to try and get his approach changed.
It is my understanding that the existing road stays and be available to people on bicycles
Repurposing existing infrastructure sounds reasonable I guess, even attractive. The devil will be in the detail no doubt. Seems odd that the Cottesloe council working group wouldn't be aware of it. Do you have any reference for this plan Heinrich?
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.... sorry, it came up in conversation with a politician .... so how much truth is in it I do not know.....
The discussion prior to the election was the road stayed as an access road to the beach ... cannot see it suddenly becoming a cycle path. Furthermore there still needs to be access to the carparks and beach anyway.
An updated from Dwight our friendly traffic engineer at City of Fremantle.
Dwight had a chat to Main Roads WA and he advises that the "facts are" as follows:
* Very basic design was shown with a cross section of the road and alignment
* There is a 5 metre reserve set aside for cycling facilities in the cross section via extra wide sealed shoulders
* No confirmation on whether the cycle facilities will be off road or on road (a dedicated off road would be ideal).
from a previous meeting involving Cottesloe, Mosman and Fremantle with MRWA, the preliminary design should be completed by July next year. The interim period should see additional stakeholder engagement (LGA's).
Seeing that road would become solely a road for beach access, it could reasonable run at 30 kmh ... at that speed it does not matter if there are painted cycle lines or seperate facilities.
Could someone please remind me when it was I stood on Leighton Beach, along with 10,000 other people, protesting the suburb that then deputy premier Barnett wanted to roll out? Oh yeah, that's right, it was 1999. The WA Government seems to have managed flogging the residential component of the marshalling yards and there's this masterplan for the rest that was published in 2007. It even has some road profiles
What on Earth is the holdup??
Nice to see that stage 1 of that master plan was followed. What was delivered was a great start to the project, and it's truly a great addition to the area. It's just a shame the apartments were built during the height of the property boom and still haven't (all) sold due to unrealistic prices.
I suspect the major holdup may center around the failed property sales and the still vacant construction site following the GFC. The state government probably want to see stage 1 sold out before releasing stage 2 and 3 etc.
As for using the redundant road as our PSP, I think this option is not going to work - look at what happened to the previous road alignment (none of us use the old road at the moment.
This gets a bit off topic...
Friday night is Post Newspapers night in this household! I kinda sorta thought someone from some arm of government, be it Main Roads, Colon's office, Cott Council, might have maybe bothered to respond to what was front page news last week. Nothing doing I'm afraid.
The Post does however have on p11 a report on the next venture to turn a dollar on the beachfront - graciously the footpath between the ocean and this restaurant will remain in place (though with somewhat reduced visibility!)
The restaurant will be built in the carpark across the road from the Montessori School. Hard to imagine why Mosman Park "invited expressions of interest to develop the land in 2004" but as I recall MP were ploughing their own furrow at that period in their history...
http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/editio ... /paper.pdf
After nine years of negotiations, Denis Marshall’s company, Cliveden, will get 1603sq.m of land overlooking Mosman beach to build a restaurant. The development will include public changerooms, toilets and bicycle racks. On Tuesday night, Mosman Park council agreed to grant Cliveden a 21 year lease on land in Mosman Beach Reserve, with an option for another 10 years.
The council invited expressions of interest to develop the land in June, 2004, and accepted Cliveden’s proposal in May the following year. On July 3 this year, Cliveden asked to have the boundaries changed because a Water Corporation easement prevented a 4m strip of land on Curtin Avenue from being used and the ocean side was too steep and expensive to build on.
The eastern boundary will now be extended to 46m and the western boundary to 66m, giving Cliveden a total of 1603sq.m of land.
Four parking bays will be swallowed up by development, but the existing footpath would be kept.
Cliveden will pay for all the surveying costs before the proposal is sent to the Lands Department to finalise excising the land and ministerial approval.
Cost $5 million.
Source: Main Roads
It wouldn't surprise me if they find a Western Purple-backed Dragon living in the bus bridge underpass and to protect this endangered species a detour will be required pushing the completion out to 2017.
Tydeman Road crossing also got a mention in the RAC Road Infrastructure Survey in the hard copy of The West on Wednesday. This is the first year that I recall that this survey highlighted 'non-motorists' issues recorded, so if someone has a copy (I read it whilst giving blood), it would be worth getting the exact locations mentioned in the article.
Unfortunately the on-line version Carmageddon on WA roads didn't have that section.
The metro report is here and the regional report is here. Tydeman Road gets a mention on page 12 of the metro report as a member submission.
Tydeman Road, Fremantle cycling issues get an airing in the local paper, the Fremantle Gazette
This short stretch of path was completed recently. I've been off the bike for a couple of months due to an injury but I've kept an eye on the works from the train, rode it for the first time today.
I'd love to shower the builders and designers of cycling infrastructure with praise. Sadly this one's a dud. Living in Cott and working in Subi I've been commuting this area for more years than I care to remember. I long ago gave up navigating the mazes and pedestrians at Shenton Station, preferring to use the PSP access point on the south side of Nicholson Road (claiming the lane when city bound!)
There's been a stub of PSP waiting for years to connect to points south and west but it's been ignored. Instead we're STILL expected to mix it with trainloads of kids at rush hour through the mazes. Heading south the new path intersects with a busy pedestrain crossing on Stubbs Tce before passing behind a bus stop.
To add insult to injury any cyclist trying to access the path from Stubbs Tce is met with kerb, for southbound riders there's nowhere between Shenton Station and the approach to the subway roundabout to safely get on the path. In the few minutes I loitered there this evening I saw one rider hop the kerb to get on the path.
I don't know who's responsible for "designing" this mess - Nedlands Council? Main Roads? The cost of involving a cyclist or two would surely be lower than the remedial works they'll have to undertake to make this useable.
below, you can see where you'd expect the path to go... note the bike lockers...
there they are again, circled top right. Pedestrian crossing to Shenton College is circled centre, the bus stop bottom left. The path at some point has been designed to go over the pedestrian access to the station and bypass all three obstacles,
but instead it's turn right and face the maze
Apparently an extra $100K to build the flyover was out of the question. Meanwhile the money keeps going down the gurgler at Collin's twin follies - the airport driveway and Liz's swamp
Stop handing them the stick! - Dave Moulton
the complete route to/from Subiaco to Swanbourne along Stubbs is a demonstration in poor planning and execution. It is littered with dangerous blind corners, paths that dump cyclists and pedestrians onto Stubbs, crazy access points, drain covers in the railway station car parks that are just waiting to trap an unsuspecting cyclists front wheel, and mixing cyclists with pedestrians at busy intersections.
I used to use this route probably not appreciating how dangerous it was.
Riding: Pinarello Dogma2
Thanks for the update Robert. I am yet to ride that section since the path opened.
The lack of good road to path (and vice versa) transitions is common across the network. I couldn't believe my eyes to see brand new roundabouts in the northern suburbs built with path bypasses for cyclists that have right-angle kerb ramps that force the riders into the traffic lane when entering/exiting the road. Which morons approve this stuff?
As I understand it there's a national shortage of planners. The good/ambitious ones get the high paying jobs for developers and consultant town planners. The jobs available at local government level are not as sought after and the people in them are often overworked. One thing is sure; they don't ride bikes.
Yep, I came a cropper on a "crossing" in Swanbourne in February... the injuries kept me off my bike for over three months, just back this week
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