Widening of cycle way increases traffic congestion - Perth

Widening of cycle way increases traffic congestion - Perth

Postby rolandp » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:52 pm

From Works and Urban Development Committee - City of Perth:
Traffic Congestion – Sutherland and Railway Streets, West Perth Intersection
Cr McEvoy raised concerns regarding increased traffic congestion due to works located at the Sutherland and Railway Streets intersection. The Director Planning and Development advised that congestion may be due to temporary changes in signalling for works associated with the widening of the cycle way on Railway / Roe Streets, and that a report providing an update on these works would be presented at future Works and Urban Development Committee meeting.

The only work I'm aware of is part of the CBD Transport Plan, and the last I heard was:
Detailed design and construction of the recommended facility for Roe Street (scheduled from 2014/2015 to 2015/2016).

There currently isn't a 'cycle way' at this location, and as far as I'm aware it is a foot path, based on DoT's Bike Maps.

What is being built at Sutherland/Railway Streets?
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Postby Sinner » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:12 pm

From the City of Perth Budget for 2012/13:

Black Spot Program - Sutherland Sutherland 174,028
Sutherland / Roe / Railway Footpath Construct Sutherland / Roe / Railway Pde 297,528
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Postby MyNameIsNoone » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:59 pm

I know there's a ton of work going on, but I don't see any of it relating to a cycle path.
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Postby BrownBike » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:58 pm

It looks wide enough to be a cycle path - wasn't the PSP going to be extended down Roe all the way to Thomas St? There's that 200m strip of dark tarmac recently laid along the side of Railway St between Sutherland St and halfway down City West.
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Postby eldavo » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:37 pm

Are "cycle ways" that we have the same as road surface line separations?
Surface separated PSP's and SP's are not cycle ways even though we've colloquially called the PSP's that for years?
Question marks as I rarely read of cycle ways amongst PSP's, SP's, and footpaths.
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Postby rolandp » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:49 pm

Took a trip home via this location:
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Not signed posted for cyclists, either before this development or during.

It has taken out one of the road lanes, and as Sinner pointed out, it is a Black Spot location as well as development of a footpath.

Weird that CoP initially indicated this as 'widening of cycle way'. Works and Urban Development Committee meet tomorrow night, so hopefully the minutes will identify what is going on.
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Postby rolandp » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:10 am

Copied from RedRider:
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From CoP's Works and Urban Development Committee:
• Traffic Congestion – Sutherland and Railway Street intersection (WK 18/03/13).
The Director Planning and Development advised that, in response to the concerns raised by the Works and Urban Development Committee at its meeting held on 18 March 2013, additional signage regarding the new principal shared path will be installed on Railway / Roe Streets. A report detailing the status of the intersection works at Sutherland and Railway Streets is to be presented to the Works and Urban Development Committee meeting scheduled to be held on 10 June 2013.

Looks like it is a new principal shared path.

Shame that there is no marketing for it, given that I can find every main road development for the next 12 months is located on MainRoadswebsite, and CoP are indicating now for additional signage.

Shame it looks like it will not be grade separated like the other side of the Railway and we will be required to stop at the traffic lights.
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Re: Widening of cycle way increases traffic congestion - Per

Postby rolandp » Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:56 pm

10 months on.

Sign is still up indicating SHARED PATH ENHANCEMENT:
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From Roe St, looking west:
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No SHARED PATH signs installed to allow us on any of the footpaths in the area.

From Roe St, looking east:
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definitely no shared path, or even a footpath.

Near the underpass area:
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No signs indicating shared path, and good luck riding through here - this was a section with new paving

Further west on Roe St:
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Broken sections of the 'shared path', which makes it difficult to walk or ride on. Trees located in the middle of the 'shared path', with signs installed close together, good luck riding through here.

How long does it take to install a shared path? Answer - 10 months and counting.
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Postby Red Rider » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:25 am

The reason for the planned path was to alleviate pressure due to Lizzy Key. I'm not sure why they blocked off a turning lane when the bike path wasn't ready to be done for ages.
I believe they haven't done the bike path yet due to all the work along Roe St still. Once they have their ducks in a row they may complete it.
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Postby wellington_street » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:31 am

I heard (so probably unreliable) there was some confusion between CoP and DoT about the works - DoT have a consultant designing the PSP at the moment and CoP jumped the gun.

The congestion has increased massively, moreso due to the changes in signal timing than anything. One afternoon it took me 20minutes to turn right from Wellington Street into Sutherland Street due to the signal timings. I hate driving to/from work :lol:
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Postby eldavo » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:55 am

holy cow, cyclists would have covered 10 km in that distance for you to travel 0.5 km.
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Postby Thoglette » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:10 pm

eldavo wrote:holy cow, cyclists would have covered 10 km in that distance for you to travel 0.5 km.


But only if they're not waiting for the lights too!
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Postby eldavo » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:53 pm

What lights?




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Re: Widening of cycle way increases traffic congestion - Per

Postby rolandp » Tue May 06, 2014 11:25 pm

The answer to when this cycle way will be installed is now answered - Department of Transport WABNP:
•Roe Street/Railway, Road PSP extension, Lake Street to Thomas Street: 2015/16 to 2016/17.

Road works undertaken in March 2013, PSP to be completed between 2015/16 and 2016/17.
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