PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Cycleops70 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:51 pm

roller wrote:thanks so much for that, any idea where the new path on Tonkin kicks in?


It starts at Selby Park/Greenshields way
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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby roller » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:20 pm

thank you :D
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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Wixxy » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:00 pm

scirocco wrote:Going south on Tonkin you don't have to wait until Albany Hwy to get off the shoulder. There's a proper dedicated path off the side that starts at the Mills Rd junction and runs for about 10 km all the way to where Tonkin ends at Thomas Rd.


Turning off right at Mills Rd is a pain in the a_se. Made to turn left go up the hill through the roundabout and back down to get across - heading in to Gosnell. :D The crossing didn't go to the side I needed (unless I wanted to cycle back the way I came, and I didn't).

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby HappyHumber » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:39 pm

roller wrote:
Cycleops70 wrote:You should be able to find the route from this link; https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26618328
thanks so much for that, any idea where the new path on Tonkin kicks in?


As per Cycleops70 's link and as I recall it, heading SE from coming over the Tonkin Hway Bridge; you come out from underneath the GE Hway Bridge Underpass; you skirt around Selby Park in Reclcliffe. There's a good water fountain at that park for a top up if need be.

Took me a few goes from different directions to get the new Leech H'way/Abernethy interchanges clear in my head. Some of those curling on/off ramp paths did my head for a bit.
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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Wixxy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:50 pm

Wixxy wrote:
scirocco wrote:Going south on Tonkin you don't have to wait until Albany Hwy to get off the shoulder. There's a proper dedicated path off the side that starts at the Mills Rd junction and runs for about 10 km all the way to where Tonkin ends at Thomas Rd.


Turning off right at Mills Rd is a pain in the a_se. Made to turn left go up the hill through the roundabout and back down to get across - heading in to Gosnell. :D The crossing didn't go to the side I needed (unless I wanted to cycle back the way I came, and I didn't).


Can anyone who knows this junction comment whether I got this wrong when wanting to go right but having to go on a "detour" due to the All Bicycles sign? The crossing doesn't help you to get to the right side. Thanks.

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Scott_C » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:40 pm

Wixxy wrote:
Wixxy wrote:
scirocco wrote:Going south on Tonkin you don't have to wait until Albany Hwy to get off the shoulder. There's a proper dedicated path off the side that starts at the Mills Rd junction and runs for about 10 km all the way to where Tonkin ends at Thomas Rd.


Turning off right at Mills Rd is a pain in the a_se. Made to turn left go up the hill through the roundabout and back down to get across - heading in to Gosnell. :D The crossing didn't go to the side I needed (unless I wanted to cycle back the way I came, and I didn't).


Can anyone who knows this junction comment whether I got this wrong when wanting to go right but having to go on a "detour" due to the All Bicycles sign? The crossing doesn't help you to get to the right side. Thanks.


If I understand correctly you are on the shoulder of Tonkin Hwy heading Southbound and want to turn right into Mills Rd W in order to go to Gosnells.

Firstly, "All Bicycles" signs are advisory only (so far as I understand the Road Traffic Code, this is not legal advice etc.) so there is nothing preventing you from staying on the road and moving into the right turn lane (though whether you can do this safely will be a matter of judgement). A second option would be to move into the left lane of the road and then perform a hook turn. Finally, the option that I would probably use is to exit onto the footpath, cross over the slip lane and use the ped crossing to cross across Mills Rd E (walking if there aren't cycle lanterns), stopping just short of the pedestrian island and placing my bike in the shoulder and then moving off when Mills Rd E gets a green light (this is basically a ghetto hook turn). You will be reliant on other traffic activating the lights but my recollection is it is a relatively busy cross road.

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Wixxy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:22 pm

Yes Scott, your right on the location.

Am surprised that All Bicycles maybe advisory - be interesting to see other views on this.

On the ghetto hook turn - I did think of it at the time walking across and dropping my bike off the island behind the lights. Is it legal to do Scott?
And will the lights not also change on a timed sequence?

Thanks as always for the reply.

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby Scott_C » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:52 pm

Wixxy wrote:Am surprised that All Bicycles maybe advisory - be interesting to see other views on this.

It is illegal to contravene the directions on a traffic sign, as per Road Rule 301, but"traffic sign" is a defined term in the Code where "traffic sign" means one of the road signs, marks, structures or devices set out in Schedule 2 or 3 placed, or erected, on or near a road;

If you follow the links to Schedule 2 and 3 you will not find the All Bicycles sign so, by definition, it isn't a traffic sign and is not illegal to contravene it.

Wixxy wrote:On the ghetto hook turn - I did think of it at the time walking across and dropping my bike off the island behind the lights. Is it legal to do Scott?

Provided you don't break Rule 57 (give way to anyone already there) I can't see how it would be illegal. The way I would do it is technically illegal as I would just walk from the pedestrian crossing into the shoulder which involves walking outside a crossing but I have never seen the police enforce pedestrian crossing laws outside of specific blitzes in the CBD but if you walk onto the island and then come back onto the road you don't have that problem.

I do something similar when I am on the footpath on the Southern side of St Georges Terrace where there is a solid median curb and want to go East on the road, I wait at a crosswalk for a green pedestrian light, walk my bike over to the lanes on the far side and just mount up and start riding.

Wixxy wrote:And will the lights not also change on a timed sequence?

On most highways the lights will not change to the crossroad unless they detect a vehicle waiting. Vehicle sensors are usually cut-in after the road surface is laid leaving a thin groove in the road surface in the shape of a sideways LED clock 8. Position your bike directly over the centre seam in the 8 and it should be enough to trigger the lights (even the drivetrain on a carbon bike should be enough to trigger it).

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby chuckchunder » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:02 pm

Just a heads up that the double G/caltrop is rampantly germinating particularly around the southern end of the Welshpool/Orrong bridge. The expected rain over the weekend will no doubt spurn it on. I pulled about 150 plants (lost count) this morning, including some quite large specimens.

My apologies to the rider who abused me as he rode past on the path for "blocking the whole f path with your f stupid f recumbent", I will try to do better next time.

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Re: PSP Roe Highway Tonkin Interchange

Postby HappyHumber » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:04 pm

chuckchunder wrote:.... to the rider who abused me as he rode past on the path for "blocking the whole f path with your f stupid f recumbent"
He must have had a lapse in concentration and thought he was behind the wheel of his car with that sort of knee jerk agro.
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