Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby HappyHumber » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:55 pm
Where the trail crosses Romeo Road to the North looks a bit closer than Hester to the south. Just curious about traversing the wastelands shown in the current Google Satellite images; how recent they are or whether there's a new sea of McMansions or pre-fab concrete retail palaces
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Cycleops70 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:44 am
It may be temporarily fenced off outside of work ours, but they are't usually to difficult to get through.
It could be worth a try.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:20 pm
It is easy enough to ride at night but I decided that the bush is so lovely through there it seems a waste to just stare at the track lit up ahead. It was safe enough though I thought and not another soul around so extra precautions like telling someone where you are would be a good idea.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:21 pm
I didn't see another person the whole time.
If anyone is interested in a night ride let me know. Company is good. I let my wife know where I am with texts just in case a tree or kangaroo jumps out in front of me.
I ordered a Fenix BC30R bike light so that has to be tested out thoroughly of course when it arrives....
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby HappyHumber » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:57 pm
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:45 pm
I get a good beam up close around corners which is great on the track and a good distance. I also like the neutral rather than cold LED (on the Lenser) which I think is slightly superior overall although LED colour is probably not a big deal.
Next week I should get my Led Lenser XEO 19R which puts out 2000 Lumens for 4 hours. I will retire the H14R.2 to use as a headlamp for walking, working on stuff and household duties. I have had it for 4 years.
If anyone does want to ride with me I do have an electric MTB which might be an issue for some but my next step is to park up at Burns Beach Road and go to Romeo Road which is quite a long way and so far I have only done this by day. Romeo Road is 14.2 km each way or 28.4 km in total from Burns Beach, a fair way even on an electric bike, there are also from memory road tunnels at Neerabup and again at Hester Road and each is a good ride termination point depending on how fit you are. The whole track is 25 x 2 k return, 50km which is a long way, several hours for an old guy like me on an electric bike but doable. A young and fit cyclist could probably manage it OK.
I have done to Neerabup Road several times at night so far but it is 33km from home in Woodvale.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby pedalmonkey » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:12 pm
I rode the whole thing last weekend, up and back. Return trip was on the road, via Old Yanchep Rd. I seemed to remember Old Yanchep Rd being nicer, winding through the Wanneroo market gardens. Not so much. Lots of logged pine plantations which are now a haven for dirtbikers and four-wheelers. The road also passes via Barbagallo Speedway where the bogans go on the weekends to let off steam. The ride was safe enough, but not particularly pleasant.
Now that they allow camping in Yanchep NP, next time I think I'll ride up with the panniers on, stay overnight (visit the koalas as they wake up to play at night) then ride back the next morning either via the YB trail or along the coast which is a great ride too particularly once you can get off Marmion Ave near Mindarie.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Hugor » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:34 pm
Whats the traffic like, shoulder etc. Would you do it again or double back and return along the trail?
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby pedalmonkey » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:01 pm
I was pretty knackered after riding up and back and the trail would be even harder, but fitness permitting, next time I'd either do the trail both ways or ride back along the coast which I think is an extra 5-7km or so. And assuming of course the seabreeze wasn't blowing.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:03 am
One of the guys got his first ticket for parking on the concrete about 2 weeks ago after parking there for four years without a ticket. I said it was my fault and I would pay half and he laughed...
$80 evidently.
Beautiful ride at night, I'm into it now. Very few people out and in Winter evening is a lot warmer than morning. It is also a lot warmer than around Lake Joondalup where all the cold air settles.
We did think some warning signs might be a good idea regarding parking on the concrete as the 'path' goes nowhere. It would be helpful to be able to park there.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am
Another good place to park is opposite on Blue Mountain Drive, some good spots on gravel verge facing towards the track near the intersection with BB and under a street light.
I tested the Led Lenser XEO 19R too on the track, a few times now. I wear it on my helmet and the power pack is threaded through my belt. Awesome, even on 1000 Lumens between the two lights it is plenty and each light can be focussed. It will last for 8 hours at this rate. If I boost it to 2000 Lumens it seems to stay on that for as long as I want (not 30 seconds like for some lights) and it is rated to last 4 hours.
Amazing light and it comes with handlebar mounts (which I tested and work well), a Go-Pro mount, Headband for use as Headlamp. A case with belt loop for power pack and also a separate belt clip as well. It comes with everything and check the link, good price for such a light. I use the Fenix BC30R as a backup light on the handlebars. A great light in it's own right as well.
The lights can also be adjusted together or individually and you can even turn one off, you have focussing levers on each light.
https://www.wildearth.com.au/buy/led-le ... n/ZL7219RG
Must do a full review on this.
Edit: Done. In Gear review section.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:30 am
Forget the bit north of Reinhold Place north of Romeo Road and onwards to Lacey Road. Up until a bit after Reinhold Road it is a prepared trail. It then degenerates into a fire trial most of the way to Lacey Road in Yanchep, a 4WD track heavily rutted, rough and strewn with rocks. It is also noisy as it runs close to Wanneroo Road. It isn’t too bad on a mountain bike with decent suspension but from now on I will probably terminate my rides at Romeo Road. Up until then it is a great trail and a lot of fun, very scenic and is far enough away from main roads to be quiet.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Hugor » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:13 am
It looks like you can almost get there by road on the eastern side of Waneroo Rd. Otherwise there appears to be some double track heading north just west of all the buildings. This might be nicer.
We need a reccy mission or someone with some local knowledge.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:02 pm
I realised too that I missed the final section north of Lacey Road. I might put the bike in the boot and go up to Lacey Road and do that bit.Hugor wrote:I agree with you the track between Romeo Rd and Yanchep NP is horrible. I’m looking for an alternative either by road or track. It’s actually pretty nice again once you enter Yanchep NP.
It looks like you can almost get there by road on the eastern side of Waneroo Rd. Otherwise there appears to be some double track heading north just west of all the buildings. This might be nicer.
We need a reccy mission or someone with some local knowledge.
It isn't safe to mix bikes with traffic, lots get killed every year but that isn't a great stretch of fire trail. It puts me off a bit although I might do it again. It is quite doable just a bit of a rough stretch.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:55 pm
The track there is very nice and interesting but a few hairpin turns and short but quite steep hills on which care must be taken, day or night. Nice stretch though.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby owly » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:55 pm
Your comment about taking care on the bends reminded me when I went over the bars and flew down a drop-off into a pile of reeds at Lake Walyungup recently on a hairpin. Good times
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:32 pm
I'm new to MTB and have a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres on the bike for puncture (double gee trouble free) resistance. I have no tyre gauge for presta valves and I have just ordered one online. I suspect my tyre pressures are too high so I might take it down to the bike shop to get it measured. I have asked them before to order a pressure gauge for me but they just don't carry them, they are all pump mounted. I just want a nice digital one I can carry with me.owly wrote:Nice pic. Would love to take my gravel bike up there, but too far north for me.
Your comment about taking care on the bends reminded me when I went over the bars and flew down a drop-off into a pile of reeds at Lake Walyungup recently on a hairpin. Good times
I just let a bit of pressure out the front tyre. Experiment a bit.
It is a beautiful track. There is one bit from Romeo Road to Lacey Road that isn't quite so nice but even that really isn't bad but you would get hammered on a gravel bike with no front suspension. You would probably just piss blood for a few days afterwards...
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Hugor » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:32 pm
That certainly was my experience on my gravel bike equiped with 40cc tyres, hence my search for a detour around this bit.Inspectorgadget wrote: you would get hammered on a gravel bike with no front suspension. You would probably just piss blood for a few days afterwards...
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The rest of the track is perfectly suited to a gravel bike.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Mububban » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:28 pm
The Kalamunda trail riders I've spoken to recommend well under 30psi for both tyres. Even with tubes, guys riding 27.5" tyres are using around 23psi front and 25psi rear. Sometimes lower, depending on rider weight.Inspectorgadget wrote:I suspect my tyre pressures are too high so I might take it down to the bike shop to get it measured....
I just let a bit of pressure out the front tyre. Experiment a bit.
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I've done the same on my 26" tyres and it's MUCH better. I originally went riding with maybe 35psi+ and I was bouncing all over the place
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby gsxrboy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:58 pm
Heya, do yourself a favour and grab a Topeak digital gauge. No matter where you go, or whose pump you use, this way you'll always get a consistent reading at your end. Ebay or c r c etc are your buying friend.Inspectorgadget wrote:I have asked them before to order a pressure gauge for me but they just don't carry them, they are all pump mounted. I just want a nice digital one I can carry with me.
Around $40.
https://www.topeak.com/global/en/produc ... rtgauge-d2
Opps, I just noticed you ordered on online already, missed that bit..
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:23 pm
The local bike shop didn’t stock pressure gauges for so long I finally ordered one online, the Schwalbe Airmax Pro. I found out today that they did get them in at the start of March, but I had asked several times prior to this with no luck. Amazing.Mububban wrote:The Kalamunda trail riders I've spoken to recommend well under 30psi for both tyres. Even with tubes, guys riding 27.5" tyres are using around 23psi front and 25psi rear. Sometimes lower, depending on rider weight.Inspectorgadget wrote:I suspect my tyre pressures are too high so I might take it down to the bike shop to get it measured....
I just let a bit of pressure out the front tyre. Experiment a bit.
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I've done the same on my 26" tyres and it's MUCH better. I originally went riding with maybe 35psi+ and I was bouncing all over the place
Equally amazingly stupid, I thought relying on the feel of the tyre would work but after letting out a little bit of air they did seem underinflated. Well, I rode the bike in to the shop and got them to test the pressures, 12 psi in the front and 16 psi in the rear. It could have been an over the handlebar learning experience but wasn’t. I put 29 in the front and 32 in the rear but I will experiment once I get the gauge. I suppose though it does show you can go quite low in pressures and get away with it, it seems.
It seems like everyone has a different opinion on pressures and tube versus tubeless. I think it is a matter of seeing what works on the trail.
The new Manager then said mmm your forks seem underinflated too he guessed 60 – 80 psi. I bought an expensive pump which I did need of course for my Rock Shox and they were 40 psi, way underinflated so I pumped them up to 120 psi.
A very bad day or very good day depending on how you look at it. I am suitably chastened and feel stupid but haven’t broken any bones…this is good.
He then suggested a 2.35-inch tubeless front tyre but after everything was done I took it for a good thrash in the park a bit of gravel, sand and grass and some hills. The Schwalbe Marathon Plus were fine, but I get it, a wider front, maybe tubeless would give more grip on steep gravel hills like on the trip between Lacey Road and the Yanchep Pub…
!! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! I spent enough money today on the air shock pump, a shocking price. If I had anticipated some of these issues I could have saved money and ordered online.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:48 pm
I don't wear gloves and got a blister on my right hand so gloves are on the shopping list. The part of the track which is a fire trail road north of Romeo road, I enjoyed a lot more this time. Yes, not a good stretch for a bike with poor or no suspension but the Scott bike with the Rock Shox on the front handled it well, maybe better now that I had the pressures correct. I just let the bike roll down the steep parts and held on, no problem. Uphill some steep bits but easy with an e-bike, challenging otherwise but just very short steep bits.
I also saw a black emu, about a metre high. I think it was black as it was a juvenile but it is the first time I have seen one near Perth.
I had everything setup correctly on the bike this time. Forks 110psi. I changed the front Schwalbe Marathon Plus to a Maxxis Minion DHR 2 27.5 x 2.3 and left the Marathon on the rear. The front was inflated to 2.3 bar with a Slim brand sealant tube fitted and on the back was the Marathon also about 2.3 bar.
I found the tyre combo worked very well indeed, the new Minion did stabilise the front while the rear worked well enough but may will also get replaced at some point by another Minion as I am doing off road trails. The Marathon is an excellent general purpose tyre and it certainly worked well enough today as a rear tyre. The big advantage of a Marathon on the rear is simply the wear factor, they should last a long time even on an electric bike. The only bad thing with a Marathon tyre is getting them on and off the bike. It is a mission.
Anyway, great track, difficult enough in parts to be interesting but generally not risky or dangerous if reasonable care is taken.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby Inspectorgadget » Sun May 13, 2018 12:29 pm
If anyone wants to join me for a ride PM me. I don't need company but I like company...
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby owly » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:30 pm
Some nice twisty downhill towards the start which I liked. Though you've got to keep your eyes open for riders coming from the other way.
Once I exited Romeo Rd, I wasn't sure if the main drag heading north would have a main road somewhere where I could head south again along the coast, so I headed back to Wanneroo Rd then found my way back along the coast home.
Nice day out there.
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Re: Yaberoo Badjara Heritage Trail - Joondalup to Yanchep
Postby owly » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:07 pm
That westerly forecast after lunch better not turn south like last time!!
Edit: Did it again, this time including that stretch between Romeo and Pippidinny Rd. As mentioned, its very rough. Give it a miss.
Tiger? snakes starting to come out. Saw a couple; almost going straight over the top of one.
On the return home along the coast, the wind stayed fairly westerly, so that was good. Beautiful weather.
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