BobtheBuilder wrote:RonK wrote:Failing to declare dangerous goods carries serious penalties.
The baggage xray will detect it. Bomb sniffers will detect it.
Mmmm... even if bomb sniffers would detect it, which I'm not convinced of, it's fairly unlikely they'd be used. Clearly baggage x-ray doesn't detect it, given how many people routinely carry camping stoves.
Regardless of that, the Qantas dangerous goods info is a bit unclear. It doesn't seem that pressurised liquid type stoves fall under the dangerous goods definition, though the liquid fuel containers that supply them do.
https://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/ ... ing-stoves
Under "Camping stoves and liquid fuel containers" it says airline approval is required, whereas under "Gas camping stoves" it says approval isn't required.
As MSR and similar stoves are gas stoves by the time the fuel reaches them, I think it's reasonable to assume approval isn't needed. I think the issue is residual liquid fuel in equipment - this is what Qantas' flushing procedures imply: -
"I have drained (for at least one hour) all flammable liquids from the camping stove and tank/fuel containers, removed the mantle/wick"
https://www.qantas.com/dangerousgoods/d ... ainers.pdf
So, for those stoves, the only issue is the fuel container, which I always drain, wash and air dry for a good few hours before travel. Technically, it might need approval, and now that I know that it's required, I'd probably get it, just to be safe, but, being sensible, I don't think there's much chance of being caught.
In the case cited above, it would be interesting to know if there was an obvious smell or if it was declared beforehand. It might just be the bad luck of coming across an overzealous employee being on the crazy side of safe.
I can't say for the NT, but when you arrive at either Perth or Sydney airport, before you hand over your luggage, you go to a digital terminal where you have to go through a process of questions.
Your informed of penalties for "wrong" answers and that its the equivalent of a stat declaration.
Amongst the questions is if you will be carrying any camp stoves/equipment.
As your finishing all the questions it once again reminds you of a false declaration and informs you of potential penalties.
Whilst I'd not heard of getting permission pre-flight as mentioned by other posters, I did fall foul of the terminal which directed me to approach a member of staff.
I seem to remember its the terminal that prints your boarding pass.
You approach the boarding process as you see fit.
As for me, I won't bother trying to board with a liquid fuel stove, at least with the tank/pump.
I feel I could justify my Primus Omnilite Ti, minus the tank/pump due it being able to utilise a gas canister.
I'd look at the potential for posting the tank/pump if I really felt the need for it but to be honest, I think I'll more and more be leaning towards the ease and convenience of using propane/butane anyway.
I certainly don't want to get caught lying on a stat-dec as I suspect the repercussion might include a banning from the airline concerned which could prove very inconvenient down the track.
Best of luck with your choices and decisions what ever they may be.