Extrawheel

[Cheesewheel]

any idea what set up they have to harness the big bags on the side with webbing like they do here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ijnEr1kn98

[RonK]

any idea what set up they have to harness the big bags on the side with webbing like they do here?

That video is well and truly out-of-date. The current Extrawheel has quite conventional pannier carriers.
On the original version the bags were simply slung in nets either side.

[WarrenH]

any idea what set up they have to harness the big bags on the side with webbing like they do here?

The changes to the Extrawheel's design were brought about because the webbing had a tendency to catch on vegetation and rocks and the thin fiberglass rods that kept the covering away from the spokes, regularly failed. These rods were upgraded but now like the covering, they have been removed completely. With fewer bits, to go wrong, these early problems have been well sorted.

Warren.

[Aushiker]

For anyone interested, I have fitted an Extrawheel Voyager Upper Rack to my Voyager. Will see how it goes from next week.







Andrew

[Cheesewheel]

For anyone interested, I have fitted an Extrawheel Voyager Upper Rack to my Voyager. Will see how it goes from next week.







Andrew

Is this the top rack that fits the old style (pre may 2012 I think, from memory from their website) or the new style?

From what I understand the newer model extra wheel is better designed to house the top rack. I've got the older style one and even though I have been seriously thinking about getting this top rack I have concerns that it will rattle loose due to the inevitable drawbacks of retro-fitting design.

[Aushiker]

Is this the top rack that fits the old style (pre may 2012 I think, from memory from their website) or the new style?

From what I understand the newer model extra wheel is better designed to house the top rack. I've got the older style one and even though I have been seriously thinking about getting this top rack I have concerns that it will rattle loose due to the inevitable drawbacks of retro-fitting design.

I have the Voyager which I purchased in 2011 and it takes panniers. As far as I know the old model was the one with the slings on the side and that was changed to the Voyager some time back. I have no idea about a 2012 model and cannot find anything suggesting same on the Extrawheel website.

As to the Upper Rack it fits my Voyager fine as per the photos.

From the website it states:

Upper Rack Extrawheel is dedicated to company’s trailers and provides additional room for luggage. It can carry equipment up to 5 kg. You can transport accessories which are larger and won’t fit bike panniers ex: sleeping bags, foam pads, tents. Easy assembly to the trailer.

Regards
Andrew

[}SkOrPn--7]

Andrew that added rack you placed on the extra wheel is a great idea well worth the investment in my opinion just to give more options .

Not long to go now mate you must be getting less sleep each night thinking about this big trip as the hours count down

Ricky

[Cheesewheel]

Is this the top rack that fits the old style (pre may 2012 I think, from memory from their website) or the new style?

From what I understand the newer model extra wheel is better designed to house the top rack. I've got the older style one and even though I have been seriously thinking about getting this top rack I have concerns that it will rattle loose due to the inevitable drawbacks of retro-fitting design.

I have the Voyager which I purchased in 2011 and it takes panniers. As far as I know the old model was the one with the slings on the side and that was changed to the Voyager some time back. I have no idea about a 2012 model and cannot find anything suggesting same on the Extrawheel website.

As to the Upper Rack it fits my Voyager fine as per the photos.

From the website it states:

Upper Rack Extrawheel is dedicated to company’s trailers and provides additional room for luggage. It can carry equipment up to 5 kg. You can transport accessories which are larger and won’t fit bike panniers ex: sleeping bags, foam pads, tents. Easy assembly to the trailer.

Regards
Andrew

Sorry just to set things straight - when I asked the q about the slings I didn't realize it was an older model. I have the regular pannier style extra wheel but if you look at the link for the top carrier rack ....

http://www.extrawheelshop.com/en/upper- ... wheel.html

... you see that it has a drop window menu option for pre and post may 2012 pannier style extra wheel

I'm guessing that the newer post may 2012 extra-wheel better accommodates the top rack (since it warrants some sort of difference when ordering the top rack)

[Aushiker]

http://www.extrawheelshop.com/en/upper- ... wheel.html

... you see that it has a drop window menu option for pre and post may 2012 pannier style extra wheel

I'm guessing that the newer post may 2012 extra-wheel better accommodates the top rack (since it warrants some sort of difference when ordering the top rack)

No idea. Suggest you contact Extrawheel for an explanation. When I ordered both my rack and the one James is now using I just got them from http://www.biketrailershop.com/ and there was no option. I haven't heard of any issues from James with his one so far. Mind you he is on the Gibb River Road at the moment. I guess that will test it somewhat

Andrew

[Aushiker]

Andrew that added rack you placed on the extra wheel is a great idea well worth the investment in my opinion just to give more options .

I hope so. My tent fits it nicely so will probably use it for that. This way the spare tyre can go on the rack. WIth the tyre on the rack it is easy to get the panniers on an off. No spreading over the edges of the rack. My only remaining bulky item is my quilt. Will have to live with that for now. New bag on the menu when I return.

Andrew

[ColinOldnCranky]

EXTRA wheel? You already have one too many. You guys are soft!

[Aushiker]

I haven't heard of any issues from James with his one so far. Mind you he is on the Gibb River Road at the moment. I guess that will test it somewhat

An update. James is reporting that he had issues with the rack on the Extrawheel Voyager whilst riding the Gibb River Road. Details are sketchy but it seems that the rack mount broke at some point. Not promising. A couple of points to keep in mind: Not sure what wheels and tyres James is running and if that has made a difference nor what weight James is carrying so that may also have an impact.

Andrew

[J Quinton]

Hello.

My two cents worth.

I am not sure the upper rack is equipped for long term off road testing. About half way (at Mt Barnet Roadhouse) down the Gibb river Road I noticed the front mount had snapped. Not the bolt, but above the bolt the alloy snapped in half. YMMV (first time I've ever used that abbreviation) but there is not enough give in the rack in my opinion to take long term off road hammering.

I was running 32mm tires at 60 psi. How much difference a bike with suspension would make I am not sure, however I do not think that much difference. The trailer bounces along by itself. A bloke wrapped some foam around and secured it with cable ties and that lasted a few more days. Then a few days later one of the arms extending vertical snapped off too. Not sure if anything could be done, not a fault of the bolts, or over tightening. I only had about 3.5 kg on it; sleeping bag, tent and pump.

Luckily for me I met a mobile caravan service guy who insisted on fixing it for free. Now it's better than new.

Perfect on road.

The trailer itself has been a dream. I often have to look back to make sure it is still there.

[il padrone]

This German extreme touring couple took a slightly different approach to boosting the Extrawheel carrying capacity.



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F70D_sPbHC0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

[Cheesewheel]

In light of the feedback of the top rack and the germans custom job, I'm thinking to try mounting a front frame on the extrawheel.

Thinking about the surly nice front rack


http://surlybikes.com/parts/surly_rack/

or perhaps going for an old man mountain rack (since they are designed for mountain bikes with a complete absence of standard mounting points for front racks)


http://www.bikebagshop.com/omm-sherpa-f ... -1128.html


any suggestions (or experience with either the surly nice front rack or the old man mountain sherpa front rack)?

[just4tehhalibut]

I have the Nice Rack on the front, a cargo bike is where it belongs. A robust but heavy and fiddly to mount rack, at least on the thick legs of my Surly forks. The OMM would be far lighter but not as functional although that depend upon what you might strap on it.

CRC sells a clone of the Nice Rack for 50-70 bucks, search for item 188050. Ragley Rack 'em Up. Looks to have all the same fittings as the Surly, rated to the same load weight of 32kgs, also CrMo.

[saronmcm1]

Hi, has anyone used the ragley rack and if so how did it go.
Is it exactly the same design as the surly rack.
Cheers

[Cheesewheel]

Basically just after something to keep things mounted to the top of the pannier out of the spokes. The extra wheel top carrier sounds like a questionable retrofit and after reading on other forums about the extra wheel losing its low point of gravity (and hence stability) with an extra (loaded up) pannier rack welded on I opted for something a bit cheaper

I just rigged this up out of low density poly pipe, glue soaked cotton wool balls, two hose clamps, an elastic strap, a few zip ties and about 15 hose pipe joiners.
(light as a feather)

The two back braces have joiners filled up with a sort of araldite glue soaked cotton wool so they can take a bit of compression from the hose clamps. The front has an extended T joiner in the middle that reaches down into the cavity of the extra wheel frame. Its just held in place with a short elastic luggage strap so it doesn't bounce out of the cavity.

Also did the same glue trick on the two joiners that take the brunt of the elastic strap and the joiner end at the bottom of the extrawheel cavity but it was probably unnecessary.

Taken it for a little spin and its structural enough to do the job and seems to have enough flex to avoid snapping . I'm thinking it might even hold up for mounting my 1 man tent on the top.

Not doing any serious touring till next year but I will take it on a 9 day spin in a month or two.

Admittedly not the coolest looking thing on the velodrome but then I guess touring cyclists don't really care

[Danneaux]

Hi All!

Given the foregoing discussion, you may be interested in a new project I have in the works using an ExtraWheel trailer, SON28 Klassik dynohub, B&M e-Werk, and wind-and solar supplementation as a do-all power-generating and vidcam filming/powering solution. You're welcome to follow the project as it progresses over at the Thorn Cycles Forum, here: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/ind ... 9#msg25499

This is a project I've been working on for some time in my efforts to find a do-all solution to provide me with extra cargo capacity for my dry-region touring as well as for generating the power I need when solo and self-supported, well away from mains power. There's a lot going on, and it is in development, but should be a fun project. I've been lurking and following BNA for some time, and have learned much from you and have greatly enjoyed your many photos of touring in "the Land Down Under".

Best,

Dan.

[rifraf]

Hi All!

Given the foregoing discussion, you may be interested in a new project I have in the works using an ExtraWheel trailer, SON28 Klassik dynohub, B&M e-Werk, and wind-and solar supplementation as a do-all power-generating and vidcam filming/powering solution. You're welcome to follow the project as it progresses over at the Thorn Cycles Forum, here: http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/ind ... 9#msg25499

This is a project I've been working on for some time in my efforts to find a do-all solution to provide me with extra cargo capacity for my dry-region touring as well as for generating the power I need when solo and self-supported, well away from mains power. There's a lot going on, and it is in development, but should be a fun project. I've been lurking and following BNA for some time, and have learned much from you and have greatly enjoyed your many photos of touring in "the Land Down Under".

Best,

Dan.

Hi Dan,
a belated welcome to the forum.
I somehow missed your post.
I'm about to follow your link to see how you got on.
I've just had wrongly delivered a son28 centrelock disk hub (I ordered a 6 bolt).
Your idea of using one as a dedicated trailer wheel has got my interest.
Look forward to seeing your next post.