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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:56 pm

Aushiker wrote:As to the Surly, I am happy to go with either option depending on the circumstances of the ride. For example on the Dreaming tour I will be carrying up to 30 litres of water at times plus around 14 days of supplies. I have no desire to load up four panniers to do all that.

I'd suggest for that sort of load you'll need four panniers and the trailer :shock:


On our tour up the Oodnadatta Track we were out for 10 days with only minimal supply options at Marree and William Creek. We had all the major foodstuffs needed for that time period plus a day, and sent more food in a package via mail to Oodnadatta. We never needed to carry more than about 10-13 litres of water each (3 litres in bidons and 6-10 litres in a water bag) although we had another 10 litre bag each. The Oodnadatta Track does have reasonable water supplies (if brackish) at bores and waterholes along the way.

I'd suggest that 30 litres of water plus food and other gear is going to be seriously punishing on the bike. A mate of mine carried something like this to ride the Gunbarrel Highway, but that is an extremely remote area. He vowed never to load the bike that much again.
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby Aushiker » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:04 am

il padrone wrote:
Aushiker wrote:As to the Surly, I am happy to go with either option depending on the circumstances of the ride. For example on the Dreaming tour I will be carrying up to 30 litres of water at times plus around 14 days of supplies. I have no desire to load up four panniers to do all that.

I'd suggest for that sort of load you'll need four panniers and the trailer :shock: .


Ahh yes, that is why I have got an Extrawheel coming, so it will be six panniers and I also try to go as light as reasonable .... I am not into heavy gear loads :) While food load is pretty well a given the water load maybe able to be reduced. Final details to be sorted yet so may not be as bad as this; very much depending on route decisions and access to water on those routes. Also will depend on how much I can minimise my overnight use to. Hopefully I can max at three days worth at time, which could be a max of around 18 litres. I will have capacity but for 30 litres just in case.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby WarrenH » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:29 am

Where I like to ride, the Great Divide has rugged tracks. In this neck-of-the-sticks it is more about tyre selection, it is not static weight up front that gives grip and braking isn't an issue with hydraulics/disks. I don't use front panniers and only have 1kg in the bar bag and <8 kg in the rear panniers. On the Extrawheel I had 22 kg this past week. Well under the recommended maximum weight for the trailer (30-35kg).

With the Extrawheel overloading the trailer is not wise because the trailer will detach too often, especially at really low speeds ... like when you are off the bike parking it and you forget about the turning circle and turn too tightly, the calliper will spring off the quick-release. This is designed to happen, so that the Extrawheel skewer doesn't get damaged on the bike.

I went over the Cody Range to Goodradigbee Mountain and into the Nottingham Hills, this past week. Without the trailer carrying the weight I wouldn't have attempted it. On the steep downhills I'm a rider who need the bike to feel like an agile mountain bike, not handle like a laden container ship.

Some shots from this past week of rain. I needed the trailer because there are no facilities, resupplying was not an option.

Native Dog Fauna Reserve Goodradigbee Ridge. I bet Native Dogs are too smart to live here.

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Swinging Bridge, Goodradigbee River in the Cody Range.

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Micalong Creek in the Fiery Range.

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Thoughts about a trailer? I'm not in a hurry, if I was in a hurry, I'd stay at home, save the bucks and read crazyguyonabike. The only issue that I have with hauling a trailer is that there is a maximum top speed that one does not exceed. I've already written-off my first Extrawheel frame. I'm more careful with my second.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:34 pm

RonK wrote:
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:I hear you Ron on the no trailer needed but I'm getting too old myself and the once light packer and brutal decisions to living on bare minimum are over so when touring I now live in comfort and in order to have that change in touring life style a trailer is needed. No matter where I go I'm fully self supported hence a bit more gear but the trailer does have a function as a great soft road side seat for making that brew. I'm in no hurry and never have been when touring so hauling a trailer isn't a big deal when at the end of the day comfort is always with me now.

Well I'm no spring chicken myself Ricky, but when I say I can fit all I need in four panniers and a rack bag (which are not at all full), I do mean fully self supported, and prepared for whatever weather conditions may eventuate.
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:D Ron you are travelling light compared to me but everyone is different and we are all unique plus front panniers are no longer an option for me any more so that has also played into a trailer set-up.

Love your rig BTW looks smart and comfortable.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:47 pm

}SkOrPn--7 wrote:plus front panniers are no longer an option for me any more so that has also played into a trailer set-up.

Why is this the case??

If it's a suspension fork, there are at least two quite effective ways to run front panniers on a front suspension.

If you ride a recumbent, well you can do it like this:

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:09 pm

IP it's a trike recumbent no front panniers for that beast :D
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:16 pm

Never say "never" :wink:


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Ortlieb and Arkel do some pretty impressive specialist panniers for trikes as well, that have a huge capacity (54 & 60 litres, compared to 40 litres for Ortlieb Bikepackers)

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:25 pm

il padrone wrote:Never say "never" :wink:




Well your right you could but it would be a tight squeeze and my boom is already packed with things so options for me is very limited but the arrss end has lots of room which I guess the storage tubes substitute the use for front panniers on most bikes. I guess in that sense I'm not without front panniers just different location and style to the norm. :D

You posted as I did and yes I have rear panniers and like I said above I have storage tubes which take place instead of front panniers.
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby saronmcm1 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:20 am

Hi, I am looking at a bike trailer but need a trailer which can fit a fat 3.7 inch mtb tyre.
I have e-mailed extra wheel and thier new trailer does not have the capability.
If anyone has the old model can you please measure internal width for tyre clearance. This model was meant to have capability.

I have seen a picture where a bob front end is used and a modified rear end similar to extrawheel is used.
Also a modified ibex trailer with a 26 inch mtb wheel. The wheel is raised so trailer is lower than rear axle of bike.
Sorry if the above does not make sense.
If anyone has a modded trailer, could you please send/photo details.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby rifraf » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:48 pm

saronmcm1 wrote:Hi, I am looking at a bike trailer but need a trailer which can fit a fat 3.7 inch mtb tyre.
I have e-mailed extra wheel and thier new trailer does not have the capability.
If anyone has the old model can you please measure internal width for tyre clearance. This model was meant to have capability.

I have seen a picture where a bob front end is used and a modified rear end similar to extrawheel is used.
Also a modified ibex trailer with a 26 inch mtb wheel. The wheel is raised so trailer is lower than rear axle of bike.
Sorry if the above does not make sense.
If anyone has a modded trailer, could you please send/photo details.

Cheers
Ron

Hi Ron
You havnt filled out your location.
Theres a Bob in the for sales part of the forum.
Why not buy a secondhand one and modify it to your requirements?
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby Aushiker » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:16 pm

rifraf wrote:Theres a Bob in the for sales part of the forum.
Why not buy a secondhand one and modify it to your requirements?


I don't think the BOB would take a fat mountain bike (26") wheel to well. Might have an interesting tilt to it :)

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby rifraf » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:23 pm

Aushiker wrote:
rifraf wrote:Theres a Bob in the for sales part of the forum.
Why not buy a secondhand one and modify it to your requirements?


I don't think the BOB would take a fat mountain bike (26") wheel to well. Might have an interesting tilt to it :)

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saronmcm1 wrote:I have seen a picture where a bob front end is used and a modified rear end similar to extrawheel is used.
Also a modified ibex trailer with a 26 inch mtb wheel. The wheel is raised so trailer is lower than rear axle of bike.
Sorry if the above does not make sense.
If anyone has a modded trailer, could you please send/photo details.
Cheers Ron


rifraf wrote: and modify it to your requirements?
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby Aushiker » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:33 pm

rifraf wrote:
saronmcm1 wrote:I have seen a picture where a bob front end is used and a modified rear end similar to extrawheel is used.
Also a modified ibex trailer with a 26 inch mtb wheel. The wheel is raised so trailer is lower than rear axle of bike.
Sorry if the above does not make sense.
If anyone has a modded trailer, could you please send/photo details.
Cheers Ron


rifraf wrote: and modify it to your requirements?


In that case just buy the fork which sells for around $60 unless of course one can get a BOB for around those dollars. I assume the reference to the hybrid is this one.

Combination of the mounting fork of the Bob trailer with the rear (carrying) part of the Extrawheel. The two parts were welded together by Marten Gerritse. He also made the rear part wider to fit in a rear wheel. I used the 26″ rear wheel of my Santos travelmaster with 36 spokes. The tyre and tube are the same as those on the bike. The trailer wheel also serves as a back up wheel for the bicycle. A big wheel in the trailer seems to be essential to ride efficiently through loose sand.


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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby rifraf » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:20 pm

saronmcm1 wrote:Also a modified ibex trailer with a 26 inch mtb wheel. The wheel is raised so trailer is lower than rear axle of bike.
Sorry if the above does not make sense.
If anyone has a modded trailer, could you please send/photo details.
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Aushiker wrote:
rifraf wrote:Theres a Bob in the for sales part of the forum.
Why not buy a secondhand one and modify it to your requirements?


I don't think the BOB would take a fat mountain bike (26") wheel to well. Might have an interesting tilt to it :)

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No reason I can think of that the dropouts have to be at the same level as the factory ones.
I dont think your thinking outside the box enough (might be a current fixation on boxed shopping trailers?) :lol:
Tis amazing what can be achieved by a good welder with an imagination. :D
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:43 pm

12" scooter tyre seems to run OK in the BOB :idea:

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:21 pm

Interesting to look at this pictorial story of one guy's trailer development (for fairly extreme conditions), and see what he has ended up settling on as the ideal rig....... awfully familiar :o







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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby Aushiker » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:45 pm

il padrone wrote:Interesting to look at this pictorial story of one guy's trailer development (for fairly extreme conditions), and see what he has ended up settling on as the ideal rig....... awfully familiar :o


No trailer :wink:

Interesting his designs where all custom made despite looking like other known brands.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby saronmcm1 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:55 pm

Hi, I am still investigating a trailer for my bike (Pugsley).
Is it possible to run a Bob Ibex large fork connected to another Ibex fork and weld on Pannier brackets etc.
This would be the easiest solution for an engineering numpty.
Can anyone provide feedback if this is possible.
Also is there a structural difference between the Ibex and Yak fork.
The reason I would like to do this is to utilise the same tyre as bike.
There is a great modified trailer photo in this forum but I need the simplest system.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby saronmcm1 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:07 pm

Hi, I am still investigating a trailer for my bike (Pugsley).
Is it possible to run a Bob Ibex large fork connected to another Ibex fork and weld on Pannier brackets etc.
This would be the easiest solution for an engineering numpty.
Can anyone provide feedback if this is possible.
Also is there a structural difference between the Ibex and Yak fork.
The reason I would like to do this is to utilise the same tyre as bike.
There is a great modified trailer photo in this forum but I need the simplest system.

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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby RonK » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:05 pm

rifraf wrote:My plan is to try to relocate carrying everything I own on my bike and a trailer and seeing some of the country whilst I do it.

To carry your home around on your back, you need a TrailRat. Or maybe a BushTrekka... :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby il padrone » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:52 pm

RonK wrote:
rifraf wrote:My plan is to try to relocate carrying everything I own on my bike and a trailer and seeing some of the country whilst I do it.

To carry your home around on your back, you need a TrailRat. Or maybe a BushTrekka... :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

With a weight of 45 pounds (over 20kgs) for the Bushtrekka, you won't be able to carry all your belongings very fast nor far :(

The Trailrat is a bit better at 12kgs, but just a BOB-trailer on steroids.
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:01 pm

RonK wrote:BushTrekka[/url]... :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:


What a joke and I really feel sorry for the great guys at Kamp-rite that ever got involved with the tool that invented the Bushtrekka (They have since parted ways). I believe the same tool is involved with the TrailRat as well and you will never see spare parts or support from that Aussie son of a rodents rectum ............ :roll:
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby rifraf » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:07 pm

RonK wrote:To carry your home around on your back, you need a TrailRat. Or maybe a BushTrekka... :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've initiated the process by investing in a Carry Freedom Y-frame trailer from CRC
There was some sort of discount code which allowed me to get the trailer, some multi directional cleats that had been recommended
and some new Shimano v-brake pads for approx $250 delivered.
http://www.carryfreedom.com/Y-Frame.html
I went with the large so my trailer wheels are the same size as my bikes 20' 406's
This will mean I need concern myself with only one tire and tube size for spares.
I'm going to request some help with a route in another thread soonish and I'm currently
trying to work out an exit strategy from my accommodation with my relatives.
I've bought from supercheapauto a large plastic tub with lid which I'm wanting to mount on the trailer
to accommodate my two alloy camera cases.
I'll be returning there next week to invest in two ratchet tie down straps to hopefully hold the tub in place and my backpack
perched on top.
The loads going to be bigger than I'd choose and travelling in Summer isnt ideal but then what is?
I'll try to get a pic up soonish. :D
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby RonK » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:30 pm

rifraf wrote:I've bought from supercheapauto a large plastic tub with lid which I'm wanting to mount on the trailer
to accommodate my two alloy camera cases.
I'll be returning there next week to invest in two ratchet tie down straps to hopefully hold the tub in place and my backpack
perched on top.

Check out their cargo nets too - you might find one handy.

The trailer looks to be of reasonable quality and design, and seems a good buy at the price. For some reason I'm inclined to think a two wheel trailer is a better choice for your Moulton.
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Re: Trailers - general info and opinions

Postby rifraf » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:18 pm

RonK wrote:Check out their cargo nets too - you might find one handy.

The trailer looks to be of reasonable quality and design, and seems a good buy at the price. For some reason I'm inclined to think a two wheel trailer is a better choice for your Moulton.


Hi Ron, yeah I'm expecting it to be much easier on my very skinny tubed frame stays as well as the small bronze pivot bearings that
make up the main workings of the rear suspension. Easier than the Bob trailer anyway.
I've bought a spare set of pivot bearings to be prepared for needing to change them at some stage.
I almost wish I wasn't so attached to my old F717 Sony camera and its accumulated gear but I'm not ready to update and to buy
a complete system again currently (I'm not a good enough photographer to warrant it yet but its a field I would like to vastly improve in).
I think the next system will be a Nikon SLR and I want to have settled accommodation before I head in that direction.
The tub on the trailer will make for hard work I think in a head wind so I can see it being a long journey to WA if I desire to miss the
winds of the Nullarbor blowing from the west.
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