Surly Ogre as a tourer

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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby il padrone » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:02 pm

I use the Thorn Flat track 10 deg bar, with the Ergon GC3 grip & bar-ends (in the Rohloff/Nexus design). Very comfortable for me - not sure whether the bar is super strong, but good enough for my touring.

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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby Mike Ayling » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:47 pm

Pete, what railtrail is that in your picture?

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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby il padrone » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:42 pm

That is the Coast to Crater Railtrail between Camperdown and Timboon. A bit rough around the edges, and the trail route from Cobden to Camperdown is rather average - on-road and hilly. We took the main road which was prefectly good to ride. The photo was taken near one of about three trestle bridges that are missing, producing quite steep descents and pushes back to the trail - off the bike stuff.

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This was a nice bit, riding from Timboon to the Curdies River
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One big plus is it has a whisky distillery in the railway station at Timboon - a nice goal for the day :D
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:37 pm

Well, ended up ordering the Salsa Bend2 in 23deg sweep with Ergon grips(no bar ends) and see how that goes. Might try a bog standard flat bar later on which will probably suit the ergon grips with integral bar ends.
Hope hoops 29er wheelset with Stans Flow EX rims. gives the option of tubeless but I mainly like the rim width ~29mm

Spent waaay too much. The only upgrade I will ever need will be the frame :oops: :lol:
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby rifraf » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:24 pm

ForkinGreat wrote:Well, ended up ordering the Salsa Bend2 in 23deg sweep with Ergon grips(no bar ends) and see how that goes. Might try a bog standard flat bar later on which will probably suit the ergon grips with integral bar ends.
Hope hoops 29er wheelset with Stans Flow EX rims. gives the option of tubeless but I mainly like the rim width ~29mm

Spent waaay too much. The only upgrade I will ever need will be the frame :oops: :lol:


Sounds like you had a very clear idea of the gear you wanted on your bike.
Keep the thread updated with your build and remember to get some pics in here so we can share your vision of the final build.
Those rims sure sound wide at 29mm.
Hope they offer you heaps of good options tire wise.
Let us know how you find them for getting different tires on and off :)
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:56 pm

Hey Rifraf,

I obsessed about part selection for a fair while, esp the bars.
seemed too much hassle to get hold of the jones loop bars (though I note XACD do a knock-off jones H? bar in Ti , but I also note that some folks have had dodgy experiences with xacd, http://forums.mtbr.com/custom-builders-other-manufacturers/xacd-obnoxious-529757.html so maybe I will perservere with getting a proper jones loop bar in the future ).
The Salsa bars with ergon grips are a compromise between comfort and trail safety. Bar ends can occasionally cause hook-ups on trailside trees and branches :shock: Also, the sweep of the Salsa bars would put the bar ends at a bit of a dodgy angle.
I have everything but the QR skewers :lol: all bits and boxes heaped on loungeroom floor, but next few days will see them looking increasingly like a bicycle :mrgreen:
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby rifraf » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:03 pm

ForkinGreat wrote:Hey Rifraf,

I obsessed about part selection for a fair while, esp the bars.
seemed too much hassle to get hold of the jones loop bars (though I note XACD do a knock-off jones H? bar in Ti , but I also note that some folks have had dodgy experiences with xacd, http://forums.mtbr.com/custom-builders-other-manufacturers/xacd-obnoxious-529757.html so maybe I will perservere with getting a proper jones loop bar in the future ).
The Salsa bars with ergon grips are a compromise between comfort and trail safety. Bar ends can occasionally cause hook-ups on trailside trees and branches :shock: Also, the sweep of the Salsa bars would put the bar ends at a bit of a dodgy angle.
I have everything but the QR skewers :lol: all bits and boxes heaped on loungeroom floor, but next few days will see them looking increasingly like a bicycle :mrgreen:

Ahh, quick note.
Do some research on the skewers.
The Ogres rear dropouts have plenty of forum posts about problems with skewers.
Bottom line is it appears necessary for at least one tugnutt.
This is to combat the axle twisting in the dropouts.
The single tugnutt that most use goes on the drive side.
I went with two tugnutts for aesthetics rather than need.
I think its earlier XT skewers that are recommended.
I'm using some extra long jobs that havnt caused any issues but then my riding so far has been sedate and only on road.
Keep us updated and get your camera out :)
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:39 pm

Sorry for the delay.
Now the bits and pieces are all assembled and it looks like a proper bike :D
The tricky bits were done by the LBS - quality bicycle repairs - in surrey hills VIC
Steerer to be trimmed now height seems ok, and maybe the bars (@710mm - wider than my duellie riser bars), but it rides nicely and the shifting is smooth.
29mm stans flow-ex rims and 700c x 40mm Marathon supremes seem strong and roll well.
BBB skewers are a bit poxy, will source some XTs, I think. better made & with internal cam.
Rear axle all the way forward, could put tugnutts in, I guess..
Pic(s) today some time 8)
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:16 pm

The Ogre... :mrgreen:

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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby rifraf » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:31 pm

ForkinGreat wrote:Sorry for the delay.
Now the bits and pieces are all assembled and it looks like a proper bike :D
The tricky bits were done by the LBS - quality bicycle repairs - in surrey hills VIC
Steerer to be trimmed now height seems ok, and maybe the bars (@710mm - wider than my duellie riser bars), but it rides nicely and the shifting is smooth.
29mm stans flow-ex rims and 700c x 40mm Marathon supremes seem strong and roll well.
BBB skewers are a bit poxy, will source some XTs, I think. better made & with internal cam.
Rear axle all the way forward, could put tugnutts in, I guess..
Pic(s) today some time 8)


She looks great. :!: 8)
I'd recommend holding off on trimming that steerer. :idea:
A common issue I read about with Surly bikes is people regretting cutting their steerer too short.
They usually blame the shop but..........
I mention this as the bike looks set in a fairly aggressive riding mode with bum up and head down.
Or saddle up and bars down if you prefer.
This is great for rides of hell for leather on a bit of single track or zipping around town but with the emphasis on zipping.
My experience for my riding style is a more upright position makes for longer is the saddle comfort.
You may find different but until you've had a chance to do some four hours in the saddle rides, leave the steerer the heck alone. :idea:
My poor old back couldn't handle an hour of that position, let alone four or more, but I'm an old whinging illegitimate so you do what suits. :wink:
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:55 am

rifraf wrote:
She looks great. :!: 8)
I'd recommend holding off on trimming that steerer. :idea:
A common issue I read about with Surly bikes is people regretting cutting their steerer too short.
They usually blame the shop but..........
I mention this as the bike looks set in a fairly aggressive riding mode with bum up and head down.
Or saddle up and bars down if you prefer.
This is great for rides of hell for leather on a bit of single track or zipping around town but with the emphasis on zipping.
My experience for my riding style is a more upright position makes for longer is the saddle comfort.
You may find different but until you've had a chance to do some four hours in the saddle rides, leave the steerer the heck alone. :idea:
My poor old back couldn't handle an hour of that position, let alone four or more, but I'm an old whinging illegitimate so you do what suits. :wink:


Thanks Rifraf! she's a bit of a steamroller: weighs a ton ,but rolls nice and smooth :)
I was going to leave about 1 spacer worth (20mm?) above the current stem position.
The riding position is similar to my road bike - same saddle height, probably similar reach to the bars. I do get a bit sore in the hands after a while, but that may be due to crappy core muscles. I might try putting the stem one spacer up and see if that makes a difference. No hurry to trim it before I'm sure that it's in the right position. re the saddle height, If I was riding trails, I would be inclined to look at dropper posts, but that saddle height seems to be the most efficient for pedalling.
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby rifraf » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:41 pm

I set my saddle by placing my heel on it and then trying to pull the saddle up past my tonsils.
Well, until my backside stops it anyway.
I find this give me a slightly bent knee, at full pedal extension when the ball of my foot is on the pedal.
My bars seem to work best for me right up the top of the steerer with one of the very thin spacers between the stem and the steerers cap.
Different strokes for different folks but do experiment to find out what works best for yourself. :)
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Re: Surly Ogre as a tourer

Postby ForkinGreat » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:43 am

just a bit of an update on the Ogre. the Salsa bend2 bars are quite nice, but very wide and cant put bar ends on with 23deg sweep.

looking at Ritchey comp mtn flat bars, 620mm wide and only 5deg sweep. look to be ideal to chuck on some ergon gc3 grips.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ergon-gc3-handlebar-grips/
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/e ... prod112173
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