Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

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Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

Postby PiratePete » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:54 am

Hi Tassie Folks,

My sister was tragically killed last Friday at the intersection of Macquarie and Campbell streets. She was a pedestrian, not a cyclist but I thought I'd pose the question here as we are a community and I have no local knowledge having only visited Hobart once.

Below is a link to the ABC's report of the incident, Tassie Police and Qld Police have been fantastic with their assistance and information. I don't have full access to the evidence as it is under investigation, however I would like to propose to the coroner that this intersection (and possibly others along this area) have right turn controls added for when pedestrians have pressed the crossing button.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-23/queensland-woman-dies-after-being-hit-by-bus-in-hobart/7654498

We know from CCTV evidence that my sister did press the button and waited before crossing on the green. A close friend traveled down to Hobart this week and placed flowers at the scene, she sat for quite some time and observed traffic and pedestrian movements. She has noted that the buses and many cars swing wide when turning into Campbell St. We wonder if my sister noted the bus had mostly departed the right turn lane and assumed it was intending to continue along Maquarie... Not that this excuses possible fault from the other party.

I drive heavy vehicles and understand what's required for turning, looking on Google Maps, I struggle to see why a vehicle the size of a Metro bus would need to swing wide at this intersection given Campbell street multi laneis one way.

I would be very greatly appreciative if you folk could assist me by supplying information of other incidents at this and nearby intersections where better traffic light controls could have improved the outcome. I would like to see a change to prevent this horrible event occurring again if at all possible.
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Re: Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

Postby rangersac » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:26 am

Firstly my condolences on losing your sister in such unforeseeable and awful circumstances. In answer to your queries, I am not aware of any such instances in recent times of a pedestrian being struck at major CBD intersections. However I will say that the pedestrian/ bike light sequences at the intersections of the major arterials of Macquarie St and Davey St are mostly heavily weighted towards turning traffic, especially during peak periods. The length of the green man lamps being lit is extremely short for the length of the light cycle, which is frankly disgusting given pedestrian traffic in Hobart is hardly at New York City levels, so if you are able to agitate for improvements to this situation, be it either through turning lamps, or better sequencing for pedestrians it would be most welcome.

There is a holding bus bay just before this intersection on Macquarie St, outside the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery. Several busses often wait there (timetabling factors I'd imagine) before turning right into Campbell St in order to complete a circuit to the central bus station areas on Macquarie and Elizabeth Sts. Because the busses are turning right from the extreme right hand lane of the road I'm imagine they would swing wide on this intersection to avoid cutting the corner and running over the kerb.
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Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:12 pm

I am sorry to hear about your sister pete.

the NSW centre for road safety has identified the failure to give way to pedestrians when turning as one of the 10 most misunderstood road rules.

NSW is also overhauling the traffic light sequences at 560 intersections to make pedestrian crossings safer

This was in response to 2 reports from the NSW Coroner.

Mijin Shin was crossing with a green man at the intersection of Hanna Street and Beecroft Road when she was hit and killed by a bus turning left. The Coroner recommended
That the RMS consider carrying out a review and assessment of all 2-phase intersections on State roads to prioritise and implement the installation of traffic signal delay phasing so that vehicle traffic be held on a red light while a green walk sign permits pedestrians to leave the footpath unimpeded for a period of time.


There was also a fatality at Alexandria in 2009, but I have yet to locate the report. I will post a link if I find it.

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Postby rangersac » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:42 pm

That the RMS consider carrying out a review and assessment of all 2-phase intersections on State roads to prioritise and implement the installation of traffic signal delay phasing so that vehicle traffic be held on a red light while a green walk sign permits pedestrians to leave the footpath unimpeded for a period of time.


This does already happen at a few intersections in Hobart. Unfortunately for Pete's sister, the Macquarie/ Campbell intersection is not one of those.
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Postby PiratePete » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:05 pm

Firstly, thank you to everyone.

rangersac wrote:Firstly my condolences on losing your sister
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There is a holding bus bay just before this intersection on Macquarie St, outside the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery. Several busses often wait there (timetabling factors I'd imagine) before turning right into Campbell St in order to complete a circuit to the central bus station areas on Macquarie and Elizabeth Sts. Because the busses are turning right from the extreme right hand lane of the road I'm imagine they would swing wide on this intersection to avoid cutting the corner and running over the kerb.


I agree with the short duration permitted for pedestrian/cyclist traffic. This is an issue for us here in Brisbane too.

Looking at the intersection via google maps, given that there are three lanes on Campbell st a full sized semi trailer could turn right from the right turn lane without mounting the kerb, as long the maneuver was performed with care. The metro buses have a comparatively short wheel base and 'could' make the turn. However we as humans are lazy and to go wider is easier. My friends observation was that all buses and many cars took this same wide line. This would need to be taken into consideration before implementing a red right turn light and managing traffic flow for the straight through lanes.

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That the RMS consider carrying out a review and assessment of all 2-phase intersections on State roads to prioritise and implement the installation of traffic signal delay phasing so that vehicle traffic be held on a red light while a green walk sign permits pedestrians to leave the footpath unimpeded for a period of time.


This does already happen at a few intersections in Hobart. Unfortunately for Pete's sister, the Macquarie/ Campbell intersection is not one of those.


This would be a low cost improvement, and certainly a better solution to the current configuration.
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Re: Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

Postby rangersac » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:50 pm

PiratePete wrote:Looking at the intersection via google maps, given that there are three lanes on Campbell st a full sized semi trailer could turn right from the right turn lane without mounting the kerb, as long the maneuver was performed with care. The metro buses have a comparatively short wheel base and 'could' make the turn. However we as humans are lazy and to go wider is easier. My friends observation was that all buses and many cars took this same wide line. This would need to be taken into consideration before implementing a red right turn light and managing traffic flow for the straight through lanes.


It's not necessarily laziness that causes vehicles to make the wide turn, as the lane that a driver takes in Campbell St when making the turn from Macquarie is heavily dependent on their ultimate destination. Heading south on Davey St, Murray St, Salamanca Place, and Sandy Bay Rd are the major exits to Salamanca, Battery Point and Sandy Bay (plus suburbs beyond), and unless you are in positioned in the two left hand lanes of Davey St when you exit Campbell St, it's difficult to get across to make any of these exits in time. It's probably slightly less than 1km between Campbell St and Sandy Bay Rd, in which time there are two major intersections to traverse, Davey St between Elizabeth and Murray is split level, and traffic is generally heavy through this entire section.

None of this in anyway excuses the bus driver from failing to see a pedestrian crossing on a green man,
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Postby PiratePete » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:24 am

Thanks for this info, it is a great help.

I will be making a submission to the coroner to try and improve the pedestrian safety at this and other intersections around the area. Of particular interest is the signal phasing as I suspect that this would be a zero cost change that could improve pedestrian safety. Though to be quite honest I want a right turn arrow on this particular intersection. If the metro buses have a blind spot issue at the angles in this situation (assumed, not known), then with the large number of buses making this turn, the pedestrians need more protection.

My sister was repatriated to Brisbane on Thursday and her funeral arrangements are in progress.

Thank-you for keeping this topic respectful.
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Re: Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

Postby LG » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:34 pm

FYI, I have been in contact with Pete directly, I know 2 other people who have been struck by and injured by Metro buses in central Hobart. Take care around them and don't take anything for granted.
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Postby PiratePete » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:17 am

Thank-you @LG

Yesterday we laid Wendy to rest, now the fight to ensure this horrendous event is not repeated. I will update you all down the track when I've had feed back from the coroner's office.

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Re: Help with info regarding accidents on Maquarie St

Postby cp123 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:27 pm

hang in there pete! :cry:

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