Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby sogood » Fri May 01, 2009 12:07 pm

Good to know that Australia isn't so deficient amongst most OECD countries. ;)
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby LittleWheelsandBig » Fri May 01, 2009 12:48 pm

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:
sogood wrote:Here is a related question.

Which countries have a sufficiently broad bike industry that can complete a bike build with only local components?


Japan, I think. All of the parts on my Miyata, Centurion and Nishiki seem to be made in Japan. They don't have original tyres, however, so I'm not sure about that.

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I think IRC and Panaracer still make some tyres in Japan.

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby aerohydro » Sat May 02, 2009 12:19 pm

hartleymartin wrote:Well, I had also briefly looked into the possibility of "Made in Australia from local and imported parts". The obvious place to start would be the frame tubes and lugs, followed by wheels. I had even wondered if it would be possible to make leather saddles under license from Brooks and resurrect the Bell Saddle label. What patriotic Aussie wouldn't want to have one of these of their bicycle?

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Why would you need a license from Brooks to do this? Leather saddles are pretty simple. Leather and steel are fairly available as raw materials in Australia.

I'd buy one. Is it just me or is that kangaroo a bit too muscular?

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby MountGower » Sat May 02, 2009 1:39 pm

Perhaps he's been riding?

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby il padrone » Sat May 02, 2009 2:55 pm

aerohydro wrote:Is it just me or is that kangaroo a bit too muscular?

The bucks can get quite muscular sometimes

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby aerohydro » Sat May 02, 2009 3:24 pm

Yeah true, we only have eastern greys around here although some of the old males can be a bit intimidating. Do you reckon we could get more off topic?

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby il padrone » Sat May 02, 2009 3:38 pm

Not so far off-topic!

Kangaroo 'dwarf ordinary' bicycle
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Winther Kangaroo child carrier
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120 years ago and today. Neither of them made in Australia :( .
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby mikesbytes » Sat May 02, 2009 4:40 pm

You can buy brand new Australian made Penny Farthings. A bloke I know is purchasing one.
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby cycles gitane » Sat May 02, 2009 8:56 pm

mikesbytes wrote:You can buy brand new Australian made Penny Farthings. A bloke I know is purchasing one.


What about a "geared" ordinary/penny farthing....a facile...?

(tenuous link :) )

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby aerohydro » Sat May 02, 2009 9:10 pm

Wow, those things are amazing. Evolutionary dead end though.

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby il padrone » Sat May 02, 2009 9:41 pm

Trying to get my head around how that thing works???
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby mikesbytes » Sun May 03, 2009 11:27 am

Haven't seen that design before, but there are old ones where the pedals where a little further up the forks and there was a cog/chain design (on both sides) that worked in principal how a fixie works today, except it was powering the front wheel of course.
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Postby cycles gitane » Sun May 03, 2009 5:37 pm

il padrone wrote:Trying to get my head around how that thing works???


from Powerhouse Museum site description of a similar machine...

The Facile bicycle was termed a dwarf safety bicycle when it was made but its appearance is more like a dwarf ordinary or penny farthing with a larger front wheel of only 36 inches in diameter, which has a perished tyre, and a small rear wheel of 22 inches, with a replaced white rubber tyre. With the dwarf style, the front wheel is not as large as the ordinary bicycle, the saddle is placed further back than the ordinary and the pedals are lowered by pivoting them on the ends of levers which are mounted below the front wheel hub. These levers pivot at the front ends to lower the extensions of the front forks. The mid points are connected to cranks by short articulated links. The foot action follows an oval instead of a circle. end quote..

The Facile in the pictures has been restored by a well known Melbourne collector. :wink:
I have ridden a lever driven machine and they are not easy to ride.

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby Kid_Carbine » Tue May 05, 2009 11:37 pm

531db wrote:In past times, VEW made hubs and brakes and ATP handlebar stems.

Tyres & tubes were made here by both Dunlop & Olympic along with Fizackerly [Fiz Tyres] Barnett Glass, Perdreau & others
Rims were made here by Dunlop, & wood rims [for racing] were made by Rex Leahy in Sydney under the "Rex rims" brand. There were others of course.
Frame tubes by ATM [Australian Tube Mills] [I think I got that right]
Saddles by many manufacturers, of whom Bell seem to be the best known these days.
Paint for frames was made by all the major paint manufacturers.
Velox [VEW] made not only hubs & brakes, but also three different stems [goosenecks?]
Brakes were also made by a number of other manufacturers including the Gem 'V' brake.
Handlebars were also made by a number of manufacturers, right down to the individual bike shops. I have two "Carbine" bars that were unique to the Carbine bike, but they were far from being alone in regards to local manufacture.
Waterslide & Gold size decals were cranked out in their millions here in Australia.


I do not believe that spokes were ever made here.
I have not yet identified any Aussie made sprockets, chains or bottom bracket parts, but don't rule them out.
Cranks & chainwheels are also a gray area as I have not yet clearly identified any Aussie made ones, but I strongly believe that even these were made here also.

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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby mikesbytes » Wed May 06, 2009 12:18 am

Track chain rings are still made in Australia. I think it's in Sydney, but for the life of me, I can't find the web site
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Postby LittleWheelsandBig » Wed May 06, 2009 2:59 am

mikesbytes wrote:Track chain rings are still made in Australia. I think it's in Sydney, but for the life of me, I can't find the web site


http://www.cycleunderground.com.au/

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Postby mikesbytes » Wed May 06, 2009 1:20 pm

LittleWheelsandBig wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:Track chain rings are still made in Australia. I think it's in Sydney, but for the life of me, I can't find the web site


http://www.cycleunderground.com.au/


Thanks.

See they build frames as well
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby lemmiwinks » Wed May 06, 2009 2:28 pm

fyxomatosis make chainrings too though I don't think they are track.
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby drubie » Wed May 06, 2009 2:58 pm

lemmiwinks wrote:fyxomatosis make chainrings too though I don't think they are track.


How cool is that! Now I know where I'm going to get chainrings for the Sugino cranks on the elan next year :mrgreen:
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Postby lemmiwinks » Wed May 06, 2009 3:16 pm

You hipster you! :lol:
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Postby mikesbytes » Wed May 06, 2009 4:16 pm

lemmiwinks wrote:fyxomatosis make chainrings too though I don't think they are track.


Yeh, forgot about them
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby drubie » Wed May 06, 2009 4:22 pm

lemmiwinks wrote:You hipster you! :lol:


Heh heh. Although tt's hard to be a hipster when you've got mudguards on your bike. I'm getting no love from the dreadlock crowd down at the Fishbowl.

I'm stuffed if I know what will fit the damn thing though - the originals are "Brev. Campagnolo" but the cranks are Sugino. Does anybody know whether Sugino made Campy compatible cranks or is the bike some kind of abomination?
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Re: Can you put together a completely Australian made bike?

Postby scooter1971 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:30 pm

It's great adding something to an old topic, has anybody seen this list of old Aust bicycle parts makers before?

http://members.westnet.com.au/rjharrop/ ... info~1.htm

I've downloaded it locally in case it disappears.

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