eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby cray- » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:31 am
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/campbell ... 1026108201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Very cool, big kids BMX.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby Discodan » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:50 am
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby rkelsen » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:32 pm
I'm gonna call BS there. Unless he went from a touring frame to a road frame, the weight difference wouldn't be anywhere near that much.Discodan wrote:my brother just swapped out his very new and expensive Ti frame for a carbon one (he's in the industry and has no kids) and saved 960g and got a stiffer frame to boot.
I've no doubt that his bike is that much lighter, but maybe he made gains (or losses depending upon your perspective ) with other components.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby LugNut » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:17 pm
Ti for Ti's sake me thinks!Discodan wrote:I'm going to guess it's not that light, you may well be able to pick up an off the self carbon bike for a few grand that weighs less. Carbon and lightweight alloy construction are pretty impressive these days, my brother just swapped out his very new and expensive Ti frame for a carbon one (he's in the industry and has no kids) and saved 960g and got a stiffer frame to boot. Is a Ti hub really going to be lighter than an Al one for example or is it jut Ti for Ti's sake? I don't know the answer but I'm interested
Ti can be made with a ride quality and strength similar to steel, a weight similar to Aluminium, and can be made just as stiff as carbon - whether or not it actually is any of these things is up to the engineering and build. Carbon is used because it can be pumped out in a factory at low cost, Ti (especially) and Steel require a skilled frame builder and a lot of time and money. The main advantages are that Ti lasts for a lot longer (you would own 4 or 5 Carbon bikes in the lifespan of this thing, re do the maths with that in mind), it retains the traditional craftsmanship of the bicycles of yesteryear, is more comfortable to ride regularly and over longer distances and looks very sexy to boot. I'd say that whoever will own that is not primarily concerned with the "lateral stiffness and vertical compliance" (to borrow a well used phrase from every carbon bike review ever) of their frame, but more aware that there are many other factors that make riding a fast bicycle enjoyable. They will also really really like Ti...
As for weight, I went to the toilet this morning and lost at least 960 grams. I think I may actually be more flexible now, I'm about 3cm closer towards touching my toes (according to my own testing, which is only slightly less trustworthy than Giant's) so I may have lost a bit of frame stiffness. What that actually translated to on my 15kg rig compared to last night is inconclusive, but I sure did enjoy the ride.
You're in the Retro section my friend, mention frame material at own risk
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby frailer5 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:34 pm
Ricardo Elite, '87 Keith Davis/Pegasus, '92 Team Miyata Ti.
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Postby LugNut » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:20 pm
THAT's a paint job
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby Discodan » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:39 pm
I agree it's a big number, the Ti frame is a Cube Litening so it's no touring frame and it was tricked out with Enve everything so there wasn't much weight to be saved from components. I'll get more detailsrkelsen wrote:I'm gonna call BS there. Unless he went from a touring frame to a road frame, the weight difference wouldn't be anywhere near that much.Discodan wrote:my brother just swapped out his very new and expensive Ti frame for a carbon one (he's in the industry and has no kids) and saved 960g and got a stiffer frame to boot.
I've no doubt that his bike is that much lighter, but maybe he made gains (or losses depending upon your perspective ) with other components.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby LugNut » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:53 pm
Repshiki
It just doesn't look to be as high quality as the Nishiki Crestas on google, it seems to have *slightly* different geometry, and it doesn't seem to be nicely finished - I can't see 'Nishiki' stamped on the seat stay ends or anything like that. It does have the Nishiki sticker on the head tube. Also that looks like a Tange 900 sticker, most Cresta's were Tange 2.
What's going on? Is it just the crap photo playing tricks? I wish people would upload more than 1 photo.
This unnamed Nishiki touring bike was sold in the marketplace just over a year ago, seeing it in the marketplace was what made me sign up to BNA. It's 'the one that got away' - although it apparently had a 54cm T-T That's even too short for me, and I'm all legs.
Ever since I've always wanted a Nishiki.
IMG_0802 by assman 1, on Flickr
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby LugNut » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:18 pm
and here's the one in question.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby munga » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:25 pm
its a repco road bike with canti's so it has to be a cresta. i dunno if they were rebadged nishikis, or if they outsourced from somewhere else at some stage.
either way, i'd say go for it.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby LugNut » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:00 pm
I'm after something with 'sport touring' geo that I can throw some modern (ish) components and fenders on to ride Audax.
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Ay. Found it in the catalogues. Thanks Munga.
Tange 900 indeed and Aussie built. Not quite as nice as the earlier Nishiki built ones. Hi ten fork. I think I'm too much of a snob for a Hi-ten fork.
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Postby munga » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:38 pm
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Postby QuangVuong » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:14 pm
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Time-Trial-B ... 1c35bcbfd9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Blog: https://villaveloframes.wordpress.com/
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby Rob74 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:55 pm
Bespoke Bikes...brilliant
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Hey Lugnut re "and here's the REPCO CRESTA in question" U going to have a crack at it...cause if not I've always wanted one....
Rob
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Postby LugNut » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:17 am
Also that Bespoke video was great, some well spoken words from the masters. I love watching frame building videos, it's so interesting.
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Postby LugNut » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:20 am
Ouch, and a sad handover for the seller!QuangVuong wrote:Not retro, but one great steal for the winner!
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Postby Dan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:31 am
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:13 am
You and me both.munga wrote:keep an eye out for a shogun alpine gt
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby dayne » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:33 am
rkelsen wrote:I'm gonna call BS there. Unless he went from a touring frame to a road frame, the weight difference wouldn't be anywhere near that much.Discodan wrote:my brother just swapped out his very new and expensive Ti frame for a carbon one (he's in the industry and has no kids) and saved 960g and got a stiffer frame to boot.
I've no doubt that his bike is that much lighter, but maybe he made gains (or losses depending upon your perspective ) with other components.
?? Dropping 975g is easy There is plenty of sub 700g frames out there these days,
If the old frame was Ti and alloy steerer/crown with carbon blades you could drop that easily.
There is also plenty of bikes on the floor these days that are sub 6kg, Mine is 6.3 with training tyres (clinchers), Bottle cages computer/cad sensor and a garmin and mount and pedals.
That is not really trying to hard
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Postby find_bruce » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:45 am
And how many of those bikes would be retro ???dayne wrote:There is also plenty of bikes on the floor these days that are sub 6kg, Mine is 6.3 with training tyres (clinchers), Bottle cages computer/cad sensor and a garmin and mount and pedals.
That is not really trying to hard
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby rkelsen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:38 am
Right. And how many Ti frames weigh > 1.7kg?dayne wrote:?? Dropping 975g is easy There is plenty of sub 700g frames out there these days,
Even the rubbish ones from ebay/China come in at 1.3kg. A custom one would have to be less than that.
As an aside, a good quality carbon frame (like the Colnago C59) weighs closer to 1.0kg. Something weighing less than 700g would have to be extremely "noodly" (and possibly unsafe) under a 90kg bloke's butt, wouldn't it?
Note: Frame only. There was no mention of fork.dayne wrote:If the old frame was Ti and alloy steerer/crown with carbon blades you could drop that easily.
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Postby bog1953 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:16 am
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby dayne » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:23 am
Check out the Americans guys like http://www.crumptoncycles.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.parleecycles.com/intro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://calfeedesign.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; they are doing some impressive stuff
As for forks, New carbon companies are doing 250g ones where as columbus tusk forks that were all the rage on ti frames are about 550g so theres 300g there
Heres a quick frame i found http://www.totalcycling.com/a-z/frames_ ... pQodAWAAaw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1500g frame only
1900g frame and fork
So its doable to drop near a kilo off a frame, expensive yes, but worth it is up to the rider.
I ride carbon, steel, and alloy bikes and all are great and have their great points it's about choosing the right package for the right rider, I couldnt imagine doing a long or fast hill or race on my 12kg Tommasini but on my S Works is great, but i couldnt imagine doing a raining training ride on my Tommasini either but on the plastic bike i dont care.
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Re: eBay prices on the rise, good time to sell old junk?
Postby rkelsen » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:51 am
You're still counting the fork.dayne wrote:So its doable to drop near a kilo off a frame
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