Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby chrwar » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:08 pm

Hey Phillip, would love to get the measurements for the front fork loop and look into the Williams chainset etc

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:24 pm

I will measure and draw for you..
You need to find some forks.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:27 pm

as requested
the loop for the forks
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If your framebuilder wants detailed measurements, then if you print off the side on view, mark what is needed and PM me the sheet.

Where are you located? There may be some suggestions from members as to who could be approached.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:08 pm

and this one, serial number denotes a 1954 Melbourne build, sold for $560 today
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:48 pm

I just came across a 1955 Coronation today. Totally unexpected. 2nd hand bike shop selling up old frames. Happened to see this in a corner and bought it straight away. Haven't had time to check yet, but most of the parts appear original apart from the stem and handlebar and seat of course.
Plan to do it up. Still rather surprised.
Appreciate feedback and restoration advice.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby nemo57 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:38 pm

You're a lucky man! I dare say it's not an economic proposition, but it might still be possible for the frame to be lined like Philip's by Kenn Dickie (unless Philip can point to someone else capable of that great style). It deserves paint rather than powder coat.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:48 pm

Marc
I will be interested to see what you do with it
I documented the one for the wife at
Malvern Star - Ladies - Streamlined, Glamorous and Exciting

just check at the lower section of the seat tube that it is straight.
Clarence St Cycles had one done about 3 years ago, and it needed reinforcing with a sleeve in that area.

Look out for a suitable chainguard.

What did you want to know?
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:02 pm

Hi Philip,
Assume a paint strip will ensue. Not sure what colour the frame should have.
Will clean up the hubs, rims and any other rust there is.
Early days. Appreciate any advice. Would like to make this as original as possible.
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:50 pm

we can now add a new description
New Look
Streamlyne
Coronation
Elizabethan
and now ......
STREAMLINER
the adverts in late 1954 use this name for the last iteration of this design
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It might be worth doing a search as to what colours were used on other MS styles in the period.
The Streamliner didn't have the distinctive colours of the Coronation or the Elizabethan.

And check the fork steerer for evidence of the original colour.

and I think I know where there is a colourful skirt net.
These ones are not colourful enough

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:21 pm

Someone just observed that the top tube of my bike is straight and not curved like the other Coronations.
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:40 pm

I saw Warren's comments. I agree, I have just trawled through all of my saved photos and it is not found on any other.
When you strip the frame please remove the paint around the joints by gradually abrading though the paint with fine sandpaper, and photograph the layers. The idea is to establish what was original and what may have been reworked.
I think as this was the end on the model they probably adapted other lugs for this bike.

I am keen to see what paint is on the steerer tube.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:01 pm

Clydesdale Scot wrote:Marc
I will be interested to see what you do with it
I documented the one for the wife at
Malvern Star - Ladies - Streamlined, Glamorous and Exciting
Philip,
At this juncture I am inclined to make this '55 frames colour scheme as period correct as possible. Am thinking along the lines of a red, white and blue combination. You mentioned earlier that the purple and gold was done in 1954, and the red/white/blue for '55.

Here is a pic you posted from a Facebook discussion (Retro Classic Cycling World)
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Is this similar? However this advert is from 1948
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:11 pm

Without checking on what I wrote on FB, the Coronation (royal purple and gold) was for Queen Elizabeth's Coronation in 1953, the red white and blue was for the Elizabethan variant to celebrate Queen Elizabeth's 1954 tour of Australia.

The Clarence Street Cycles one (pictured above) would be a safe and tasteful version.
You could still do the flamboyant paint style if you wanted to throw large sums at it.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:55 pm

At this juncture I am more inclined to go with the red, white and blue. Philip do you have a close up pic of the red embellishment on the seat tube?
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby marc2131 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:09 am

I am copying and pasting a rather detailed conversation about the differences between the Streamlyne and the Coronations models between 1945 and 1956 from Facebook's 'Retro Classic Cycling World' between Clydesdale Scott (Philip) and Warren Meade.

Philip: Just to clear things up. This design was first released in 1948 as the New Look, It was then marketed as the Streamlyne, the Coronation had its own colour scheme, (to mark Queen Elizabeth's Coronation), then the Elizabethan colour scheme to commemorate Queen Elizabeth's tour of Australia, then this one marketed as a Streamliner.
There have been a few oddities, Mario Romeo had one (made in Perth in 1948) which had the twin top tubes inverted and linked to the larger curved down tube. (see photo)
It will be informative to see on Marc's bike the bare metal on the seat tube and the head tube once the paint has been removed. It should allow an understanding of any reworking of those areas.
Given that sales of this model were waning, there are not many 1955 models known to allow for comparisons. Malvern Star had lost interest in advertising them in 1955.
more on this range is at
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=19887

Philip: the Coronation was for 1953 only and it was like this
http://s626.photobucket.com/user/Bigblo ... c.jpg.html
royal purple and gold.
By early 1954, the marketing was on the Royal Visit, so the Elizabethan was conceived with its red, white and blue frame colour.
http://s626.photobucket.com/user/Bigblo ... c.jpg.html

Warren Meade: I looked up my records, earliest serial number I have seen for one of these is a prefix 6M, for 1946, another 7P, 1947, quite a few from then on, and two at 56M. I tidied up and finished off the restoration of '56M 7126' for the Canberra Bicycle Museum many years ago. This bike had been very nicely repainted in the coronation colours of purple and gold, even though it was a 1956 model frame. I believe it had been repainted and lined etc by Bates in Melbourne, possibly in the 1970's. I would love to know where this bike ended up!

Philip: Warren Meade, I am curious about the 1946 and 1947 serial numbers. The advertising in August 1948 was that it was a new model. The full page colour advertisements in the Womens Weekly don't sit well with a two year old model.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A% ... 98G5-gOUjj

This is the one the Canberra Cycle Museum sold off when they disposed of the collection.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A% ... SxlO3Ztdh-

This one is possibly the Frank Kovacs one
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7136/7469 ... 1208_o.jpg
And then compare to the Womens Weekly advert
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A% ... i3bCJIQkT6

all these are in the BNA thread
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=19887

Warren Meade: I am curious as well, but the bikes exist. As discussed at length in other forums, there are a few mysteries with this model, including the 'gents' version that Opperman is pictured on. I assembled the museum bike, 56M, from NOS parts available in 1956, but I had nothing at all to go on at that stage (2002?) as to what the bike actually looked like off the showroom floor. That bike has pressed end front forks, which is unusual. Who has it now?

Philip: Philip Knight Warren Meade Malvern Star standard copy was this in June 1948
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article103713493
Then in August 1948 the massive advertising and promotion of the New Look was rolled out
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/216596944
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article105738385

and more at http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/resul ... 948&sortby

Warren Meade: Howard, have you got a photo of the entire bike prior to stripping down? In 1945, the Malvern Star bikes were austerity models, no chrome, black painted Australian made running gear parts, black painted bars and stem. And no coaster brake hubs left by then. I think you will discover that your bike is 1954.
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:01 am

marc2131 wrote:At this juncture I am more inclined to go with the red, white and blue. Philip do you have a close up pic of the red embellishment on the seat tube?
I wouldn't regard the Clarence Street Cyclery frame as being an Elizabethan. It is too subtle.
I do not recall seeing any that would fit with the description of "Its distinctive red, white and blue finish is set off with sparkling chrome plating..."
It may have been the red and blue replaced the royal purple and gold. The white could have been the white mudguards. All speculation!
The advertisements were just a minor rework of those used the year before for the Coronation.

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The red on the seat tube of the blue one is a part of the logo set from Greg Softley

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby koen » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:14 pm

Okay, Phillip, at last I am going to start again on my 55 Streamliner. Seeing as it's not a Coronation apparently, I will ..weather permitting..try out a red and yellow translucent paint scheme on the front forks tomorrow and post a pic.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:26 pm

koen wrote: I will ..weather permitting..
Saturday 15 April
Partly cloudy. Slight (20%) chance of a shower near the coast, near zero chance elsewhere. Light winds becoming easterly 15 to 25 km/h in the morning then becoming light in the evening. Overnight temperatures falling to between 15 and 19 with daytime temperatures reaching around 30.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby koen » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:47 am

Well I am happy with this colour. I have a vague memory of my sister's MS being this yellow colour.
It might take me a while to get any more completed

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:55 pm

may you have more fine days so that it can be completed soon.

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:53 pm

and Lyndon Browne sent me a photo of his finished New Look
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good to see these being finished and not just hoarded!

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:16 am

I came across this when searching for other material
from the Tweed Regional Museum collection
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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:19 pm

and yet another name for these
Screenstar.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/10545866

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Re: Malvern Star Coronation "Elizabethan"

Postby antigee » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:27 pm

as an aside am i right in thinking that those Ford Prefects (ad' same page) had windscreen wipers driven by the exhaust gases? think i picked that up from a repair manual in my youth as had a later model with fancy electric wipers and did a double take

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