Shogun Appreciation Society
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:06 pm
However, I will find a use for it and/or if you need it back before then I'll just post it. I was hoping against hope that the Dura-Ace headset stack height wouldn't be a problem, I did try my best combination of cups/bearings of all sorts of provenance to build the lowest stack height headset possible, but it for naught. Those old school steel headsets with the serrated locking setup are the lowest stack height of the lot!
I am happy that I found a home for the DA headset though. JIS cups, meet JIS frame.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby munga » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:43 pm
get out the grinder - what could go wrong?
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby rkelsen » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:38 pm
So how about some pics of the completed bike, Drubie?
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:16 pm
Just got back from it's first outing. Seat is in the wrong spot and the headset is a touch loose. Also a little harsher ride than I expected, but it's much easier to get it close to the same position as my race bike so I think it'll work out quite well.
As you can see, it looks a little rugged in the daylight but the overall effect is quite pleasing: it's like a glossy black Dodge Challenger.
edit: not really sure it qualifies as retro with all that carbon fibre...I like it anyway.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:14 pm
I've been riding it on and off for a while - it's damn nice despite being low-end. I lost the Shogun Showdown preview training rides about 50/50 but I'm hoping to coax out the other Shogun pilot in a week and a half for a crit.rkelsen wrote:Looks great! Well done.
I threw some SKS raceblades on it for some wet weather stuff and it was great. I did get dropped on the local "fast" training ride but I get dropped on that anyway, so it's a no-excuse ride. Never pass up a Shogun frame!
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:16 am
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby elStado » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:48 pm
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:24 pm
Dunno / not sure.elStado wrote:I know this is the retro area, but what do people think of the newer carbon Shoguns? I am watching one on ebay which is a 2010 model, full carbon w/ ultegra groupset for a reasonable price ($1000). Not sure if they are any good now as I haven't seen many folk around here with them.
In ye olde days, Shoguns were always at the value end of the spectrum. They're a nice find at the tip because the steel frames are well made and last a long time. If the same people run Shogun now as in the old days, I would expect the frame to be better than the parts hanging off it but who knows.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby mark field » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:41 am
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:47 pm
I agree with druble about the frames and the welds. They're very good. Both this and my previous (I hate thieves) Shoguns have been very comfortable rides.
I need another road bike now, and so another $80 has gone on a 1972 Raleigh Sprite, complete and in good nick, but I'd better shut up about that considering this is the Shogun Appreciation Society.
I wouldn't mind another Samurai or Ninja. The trick is finding a good, cheap one.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby am50em » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:14 pm
Looks to be in excellent condition.stumpjumper wrote:After the theft of my 1991 Shogun Samurai, which I bought in perfect condition from a guy who'd hardly used it since buying it new, I invested $80 in a later model Shogun Trail Breaker 1. I'd be very interested in more information on Trail Breakers. This one is 21 speed.
I also have a Trail Breaker 1 of similar vintage still going strong as my commuter and general fitness machine.
I posted this link before which has some details about TrailBreakers.
http://members.optuszoo.com.au/~am50em/ ... etails.pdf
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:38 pm
I'm still wondering what year my bike is.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby am50em » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:45 pm
Your bike looks to be the same as mine which was a 1999 model.stumpjumper wrote:I'm still wondering what year my bike is.
The PDF was taken from the Shogun 1999 catalog.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby blick » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:05 pm
You wouldn't happen to have a catalog that shows the Shogun 'Team Issue', I'd like to know where it sits in the hierarchyam50em wrote:Your bike looks to be the same as mine which was a 1999 model.stumpjumper wrote:I'm still wondering what year my bike is.
The PDF was taken from the Shogun 1999 catalog.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby am50em » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:29 pm
Sorry just the catalog from when I bought my bike and no Team Issue mentioned.blick wrote:am50em wrote:You wouldn't happen to have a catalog that shows the Shogun 'Team Issue', I'd like to know where it sits in the hierarchystumpjumper wrote:I'm still wondering what year my bike is.
Nice bike!
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby blick » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:42 pm
Seriously considering getting it powder coated too, all those spots of rust are getting to me. I'm just not sure if its worth putting more money into.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 am
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:30 am
"7005 aluminium 'Team Issue' w/ full 8-spd Campag Athena incl pedals/stem/headset" - nice if that were the case with yours.
"I'd choose the Samurai because it has decidely better components. The Ninja has a slightly "nicer" chainwheel (aka crankset), and that is why it presumably costs more. The Team Issue has better components again, overall."
The hierarchy (in the 80s and 90s anyway) seems to be from the top:
Team Issue
Ninja
Samurai
You could weigh the frame/bike. If it's very light for steel, obviously you've got a good thing.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby stumpjumper » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:59 am
by elStado » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:48 pm
I know this is the retro area, but what do people think of the newer carbon Shoguns? I am watching one on ebay which is a 2010 model, full carbon w/ ultegra groupset for a reasonable price ($1000). Not sure if they are any good now as I haven't seen many folk around here with them.
I've read that carbon Shoguns are coming from the Merida/Specialized company.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby rkelsen » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:12 am
That Team Issue bike is a nice example of a top shelf mass produced bike.stumpjumper wrote:The hierarchy (in the 80s and 90s anyway) seems to be from the top:
Team Issue
Ninja
Samurai
Katana
Selectra
Sports
It's a steel frame, most likely Tange Prestige and more than likely built by Tange themselves.
As for componentry, it would have had Shimano 600 or 105 as original equipment.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby Stuey » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:38 pm
What was it listed under? I searched under Completed Listings and can't find it.stumpjumper wrote:Damn! - Did anyone else see the flouro orange Katana go on eBay for $55 yesterday? The ad is down now. The frame had Shogun stamped into the top of the rear stays.
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Re: Shogun Appreciation Society
Postby ldrcycles » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:20 pm
Anyone heard of Sovos hubs? they look pretty reasonable to me.
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