Vintage, yesteryear and retro biking
Yesterday i picked up this kenevans conversion.
The plan is to strip all the fixed gear parts off and sell them, which will give me enough money(fingers crossed) to buy a decent road groupset so I can return the frame to its former glory.
Few Q's for people more in the know then me...
- What sort of groupset would have been common on such a bike? Shimano? Campy? Suntour? or was it personal preference?
- Can anybody give me an estimation of what zeus pista gear is worth? specifically cranks/chainring/hubs/seatpost
- Any idea on what steel its built with? It has a reynolds 531 sticker on the bottom of the ST but it only says fork blades, seatpost sise is 26.8, i thought 531 was 27.2??
Also I'm not a big fan of the christmas coulourway so a respray might be on the cards, is cyclomondo best for decals? ive tried contacting him a few times but have had no luck(via his ebay store) is there an alternate contact?
Thanks in advance for any help, guidance
I guess its ok in a retro/festive kinda way
But the photo makes the condition look far better then it really is, a repray would be a good opportunity to fill the dents and remove the surface rust starting to appear
ben, im pretty sure i saw some ken evans decals on ebay?? unless somone has bought them in the last few days
The Ken Evans that i had ( ) had a somewhat 'squashed' seat stay lug, when i tried to pry it open a little, a 27.2 fit nicely.
As for zeus pista gear, search ebay under 'completed' items, should give you a fair idea.
Stripping the frame down tonight, will have to suss this out
Thanks! very neat trick, there isn't a great deal of zues parts on ebay but this is going to be very handy in the future
That's the wrong decal in the wrong spot.Maybe it's a respray?
Is it pantographed on the seat stays and fork crown like a Ken should be?
No panto's, unsure of the paint history.
Im pretty certain it is a Ken, not all had the panto's.
The guy I got it off said it was built by him before he was trading under his own name, so possible built whilst under legaro?
Mmmmm, bit dubious!
I've had three Ken's and only one of em was Pantographed (and it was a beautiful frame) - My favourite but too big
The other 2 I have had no doubt were Kenevans frames and I have no reason to believe the guys I bought em off were pulling my leg in any way. Both were custom built and one owner frames. I still keep in touch with them from time to time.
I'm by no means an expert but going from past experience I have seen em without pantographs.
Agreed, ive previously owned a kenevans track frame that didnt have the pantographs also.
Did yours have a cutout in the bb shell?
Mine is identical to this one on the left...
Nah, the non-panto ones had no cut outs.
One had a screw on cable guide on the bb shell. It had GIPEMME dropouts and was a pretty plain frame.
The one I have at the moment has a stamped CINELLI BB shell. It also has stamped CINELLI lugs which I love
As far as I know KENEVANS as a "brand" was sold at least seven times from what I've been told. Maybe the OG Kens were Pantographed...I dunno.
Either way mate. It's your frame and it looks pretty nice, so just enjoy it.
LONG LIVE THE NON-PANTO KENEVANS!!
Cool ... yell if you need any bits to finish
BTW, i have had a 531 bike for 23 years and it can only take a 26.8 seatpost.
not sure why some are 26.8 and some are 27.2, i am sure there is an explanation.
Favorite bike - whatever i am riding, as long as it has indexed shifters and inflated tyres
That paint looks delicious, do you know what that colour is called? Can't say i'm a fan of the original paint but it was certainly distinctive!
When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments- Elizabeth West.
I was about to say, that paint job looks very nice.
I am quite new to the restoring thing, so this may be a silly question, but is that a powder coat or a spray can job? Trying to get an idea of what I can expect when I get around to painting mine.
When are you going to open your own paint business?
Lots of peep's would be happy to drive down to the 'gong if you can do a reasonably fast turn around (2 - 3 weeks?).
Been thinking about it for a while, but at this stage we're still perfecting the finish
The compressor is coming home soon, once its back the paintwork will only improve.
As for turn around, 3 weeks seems do-able. Although, without a proper booth it often come's down to the weather.
Im keen to do a few free jobs to get some feedback, have anything in the shed in need of a fresh coat?
Very cool of you to offer but I'd rather pay to at least cover your costs and time. There's nothing that I'm thinking of painting short term but there will be in a month or so. Freebie's and practice jobs won't really give you an indication of whether it's worth making a business of it. Charge me $300 and I'll expect world class paint - then you can work out how much time and skill and materials it takes to achieve that level and whether you can do it day in - day out, like it and make some $'s.
Paint really is an art form. Jim Bundy grits his teeth a little when telling of how he worked at Smith Sons & Ree's where the painters earned around 20% more than the framebuilders.
It's good for you to work out what products work for you, get a system and good workflow going and work to get that last 5% in terms of finish and accuracy. Bikes are also a specialty - thin tubes always round and lots of knooks and crannies. Not a lot of paint used but lots of potential flaws if not done right. It's not easy and takes a lot pf patience - prep and masking is not my forte. I'd rather pay someone.
A lot of peep's want high end paintjobs and don't wish to wait 3 months (or longer). If someone can fill that niche then they're onto a good little earner. Then again like anything in the bike industry - it's tough to make a buck. It's that last 5% difference between good and brilliant. How to balance turnaround with quality is the deal breaker.
One of my favourite painters is Keith Anderson in the US. Purely because he does it all and isn't limited by one or two styles. He's also a framebuilder but most of his business is painting for other builders and restoration pain. He's a fun guy too
Im hearing you, putting a dollar value on materials is ok but pricing time is another story. Ive been stung by that a few times with my design work. Doing this kind of work day in day out excites me, which probably sounds strange to most people. Obviously there'd be times when im cursing it but thats like anything really
I reckon workflow has to be one of the strong points. With all the different stages you can be prepping a bunch of frames while another lot are curing etc. Once thats dialed in there's potential to really pump them out.
And to quote my old man... "these F@*#ing things are so F@*#ing fiddly!" lol
Yea the biggest thing I hear people complain about is the wait. I imagine framebuilders would want their frames done fairly fast so they can get them to the customer and finalise the payment?
Having 1 or 2 frame builders on board would be cool. I know of one in the gong that is sending frames to star enamelers - that must be a pain
You've got me thinking!!
otoh ... the longer a frame cures and harden's the better. I know of some guys who'll let a frame sit for 8 weeks minimum just so that it's less likely to chip and crack when the customers have it. There's sense in that too ... everything's a compromise
Do your sums: being a good painter is one thing, being a good businessman is different to the first task.
Wise words, lots to think about... gracias amigo
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