Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby WyvernRH » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:14 pm

Tasman wrote:Today I picked up an old frame from the tip shop. I have no idea of its age or brand. In fact I am confused as to whether it's a track frame or a road frame.
<snip> the head set is of a type I know nothing about but looks like it could be pre 1940's.


Well, the headset is a clamp style headset, almost certainly pre-WWII in Oz. Like this 1930's Malvern Star.
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It looks like it has a brazed up multi-piece rear chainstays, ie the rear chainstay assembly is made up of two stub pipes from the bottom bracket, a machined or cast bridge joining them (often a BSA part) and two long stays back to the rear wheel, often a sign of earlier manufacture and better quality. Keyhole front dropouts push it back pre war as well.

I also own one with the same headlug cut but with simpler lugs.
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It is a bit of an enigma as it has one piece chain stays with a bolted up rear end but full BSA fittings at the bolt points with 'snail cam' rear dropouts Ordinary headset as you see tho I have a suspicion that the steerer may have been shortened at some point. Simple lugs but very light with (for the period) tight clearances for a 28" wheel. No brake drillings. When it was paint stripped a 'Reynolds' tubing stamp showed up on the top tube (not 531 in those days of course)

So, same problem, what was this bike for? Where did it come from? Maybe they are from the same stable but it does occur to me that that oval cut out shape is very easy to make with a hacksaw and may have been used in many places?
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby LG » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:15 pm

So Tasman, your wife has let you visit the tip shop again :lol: . Nice pickup there, looks to be a pre WWII frame a fair bit better quality than the average roadster. Any date code on the cranks/chainring, or any other parts come with it?
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby ldrcycles » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:28 pm

WyvernRH wrote: what was this bike for?


Riding :lol: .
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby Tasman » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:35 pm

Thanks for the replies, a little light has been shed on the quandary. Serves me right for getting rid of most of my vintage parts when I thought I was getting out of the game. Having said that, 28" wheels would be a very close fit.
Today I put a set of 27's on it, an old Bell saddle and some Northroad bars. Looks promising.
LG, nothing datable came with the bike. The cranks/chainwheel are "Utility" and have no date code.I told the Missus I was going to sell it. Anybody want it?.....Going once...Going twice...Ahh well, I tried. I'll just have to put it with the others.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby FuzzyDropbear » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:44 am

The old brakes on my Apollo are a bit twisted and don't quite live up to expectations when you grab the brake levers, so instead of forking out $$$ for brand new brake calipers, I thought I'd drop by the transfer station to see if there was an old bike there that I'd be able to salvage some half decent brakes from. They did have a very low level Ricardo [which I was considering picking up for the heck of it as well], but I ended up picking up an old Repco lite 700 for $10. Both were too small for me but the Repco had the better brakes, so that's why it came home with me.

Anyway, after I got home and I had it sitting in the shed, I span the wheels and they were pretty far from straight. But it also looked too good to just to part out without taking it for one last ride. So after my $10 outlay and 2 hours work, I had the wheels trued, brakes working well and the rusted chain un-seized and gears working. Who says cycling is an expensive hobby to get into!

I know it's a low endish bike, but it has good indexed downtube shifters, nice brakes and alloy 700c wheels. So after rambling on to the missus about this high-tech (working brakes and gears in comparison to some of my other bikes makes it high-tech 8) ) bike I picked up, she now thinks that she might like it... Gah, lol. So I may end up having to keep this one and find another bike for parts, which I don't really care about, but means not great brakes on the Apollo for now. It's amazing how easily the fleet starts to grow isn't it...... :lol:

Note: These pics are taken before I actually cleaned it up.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby scratchman » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:21 pm

you did good, another oldie saved, and if it gets ridden by the mrs ( or whoever ) then it's
even better.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby munga » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:42 pm

I bought this on the weekend at a garage sale. dunno why, but it looked so cool.

If anyone local wants to take this off my hands, make an offer - I really am out of my depths here..

1965? Oeglaend Perfekt DeLuxe
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1965 F & S Torpedo coaster brake
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Aprilia bottle light (zing zing!)
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Regular looking headset. 26 x 1 1/2 Westwood style rims?
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby ldrcycles » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:19 pm

That's neat, reminds me of the Prophete Clipper I picked up a while ago, same sort of story, looked cool and an unusual brand but can't justify putting the time and money into it :) . If there's anyone out there who wants to start a collection of ladies bikes made by brands no one has ever heard of, get munga's Oeglaend and my Prophete!
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby FuzzyDropbear » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:49 pm

What a great find. Awesome project for someone.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby bychosis » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:12 pm

Not quite a retro ride, but it's steel. Freebie picked up, been neglected for a while given the amount of oxidation on the exposed bits. The paint is pretty dull too. I figure its around mid 90s from the RSX brifters and rear mech. Front mech is exage. Interestingly there are no model markings, tube material label nor bike shop sticker. All seem to have been removed a long time ago as the paint is consistent all over.

Any tips/help on identifying?

I like the reversed seatpost, haven't seen that before.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:34 pm

Could be a Diamondback.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby LugNut » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:50 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:Could be a Diamondback.


Don't mind the stickers, It's a Shogun Katana. :D
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby singlespeedscott » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:50 pm

:lol:
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:00 pm

That reminds me. BUMP!
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I think this has everyone stumped.
Maybe?... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Česká_zbrojovka_Strakonice
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby bychosis » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:16 pm

LugNut wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Could be a Diamondback.


Don't mind the stickers, It's a Shogun Katana. :D


Is the Katana an in joke I'm missing? It's probably more like a Colnago, everyone knows the stickers on those get used everywhere else, explains why these are gone.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:40 pm

bychosis wrote:
LugNut wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:Could be a Diamondback.


Don't mind the stickers, It's a Shogun Katana. :D


Is the Katana an in joke I'm missing? It's probably more like a Colnago, everyone knows the stickers on those get used everywhere else, explains why these are gone.

I don't know, I think everyone's confused now. What are the bars?
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby LugNut » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:55 pm

It just looks like a re-stickered Katana, same colour and style and kit.
Seems to not have an oversized downtube though, which the Katana had. Nearly identical bike anyway.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby dayne » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:56 pm

Tasman wrote:Today I picked up an old frame from the tip shop. I have no idea of its age or brand. In fact I am confused as to whether it's a track frame or a road frame.
It has a rather substantial fork crown but it's not drilled for brakes or guard mounting. The fork ends are forged rather than pressed and have no eyes for guard mounts. The seat stays are nice and slender and brazed on and the bridge is drilled vertically for a guard but, again,there are no provisions for a brake. Track (or road) ends rather than dropouts.
The seat post is close to 26.5mm and the head set is of a type I know nothing about but looks like it could be pre 1940's.
I would appreciate any information you good folks can furnish.

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I have the same utility cranks on my early leader,
What is the rear spacing? 110mm?
Looks like it could be BSA narrow chain line ?
I'm guessing pre 1930 may be around 26-30 ?
I could be wrong but start a new thread on it as it looks nice and more chance of getting good help as I'm just guessing.
Also is that a Williams chainring as it may be date stamped?.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:49 pm

How much would you reasonably be prepared to part with for Vitus Alu frame in good straight condition? I know the bonding can be sus on these, but what would be a good figure to stick to?
Not sure if it's a 992 or 979.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:11 pm

Anyone? I need an answer before it's crushed tomorrow.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:45 pm

Just been told it's a 979. It's like pulling teeth with you lot! Is $20 too much?! :mrgreen: Image
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby munga » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:35 pm

Good stuff.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby QuangVuong » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:42 pm

$20 is cheap as! If you're worried, send it down my way :mrgreen:
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:51 pm

I'll let you know if I decide I don't want it when I bring it home tomorr... pfffff fff fff *cackle! :lol:
I'm going to love him and pat him and call him George.
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Re: Hard Rubbish/Flea market finds

Postby munga » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:26 am

put some wheels and a saddle on him and check that he won't collapse first, or you might end up calling him Jason, after your dentist's college-graduate son.
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