Parle vous france?

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Parle vous france?

Postby Minority » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:09 am

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know anything about french bikes?

I picked up a nicely lugged tange 900 french bike the other day.

It says it is a "Rapallo" I think (decals very faded) and has Simplex derailiers and CLB brakes.

I can't find any mention of Rapallo on the web (apart from it is an Italian town).
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Postby europa » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:24 am

I only know that in a country with largely English based parts, you're going to have fun finding bits :D

But that's half the joy of old bikes isn't it? And ebay makes it sooooo easy.

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Postby Minority » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:24 pm

Yeah, strange thread bottom brackets, smaller diameter stems just to name a couple.

Fortunately it is complete and nothing seems too worn, so hopefully its mainly cosmetic work thats needed!
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Postby GaryF » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:28 am

I'm sorry but I haven't heard of a Rapallo bike before. I think the most important ingredient of any French bike rebuild is whether the bearings / threads / components are in roadworthy condition as you point out with this bike. A cosmetic clean-up is probably worthwhile.

I hate to say it but I really can't warm to French bikes (except for Vitus and some older Peugeot) - perhaps I'm just a bike snob.
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Postby sogood » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:30 am

Are you sure it's French rather than Italian?
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Postby Minority » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:50 pm

Pretty sure, its got made in france in a couple of places.

I'll get some pics next week and post them!
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Postby sogood » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:18 pm

When I did a quick Google, there was one item suggesting it's an Italian bike. Oh well...
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Postby Minority » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:57 pm

Well here are the Pics.

As you can see the frame will have to be stripped back to bare metal!

Exactly when I'll get around to this one I have no idea, but I did like the detail around the minor lug work and I couldn't stand to see it go down the tip.

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Postby MichaelB » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:09 am

It has some nice features there and should clean up well.

Looks like you might have some fun with the seatpost though !!!
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Postby stryker84 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:47 am

Looks like the exact same seatpost (what's with those black cutout strips anyway?) I found impossible to budge, even with the tightening bolt completely removed.
I ended up dropping it into the LBS to get the bike "roadworthied", and told them to have a go. I'll find out today if it worked, and if they've got no joy, I'll take a hacksaw to it.
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Postby stevebaby » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:48 am

Just an update on the rejuvenation of my Rapallo.
Have found a shimano 6 speed cluster to fit the 126mm but havenn't found suitable rims yet.
Frame has been stripped and is off to the powdercoaters today...pearl red, similar to the original (I hope)
Have bodged a few bits and pieces (barrel adjusters and screw) to get the brakes and rear Simplex derailleur to work.
Front Simplex derailleur has a broken clamp and is cactus so I replaced it with a shimano AX found on a dumped Malvern Star.
Have put the (perfect) chainrings, stem and derailleurs om a buffing wheel after a soak in solvent, and polished them to a mirror finish. Not appropriate for a classic I know, but from what the LBS tells me , Rapallos were quite good bikes but never top notch.
Looked real good when I roughly reassembled it and It's gunna look bloody beautiful when it comes back from powdercoating.
Will provide pics then, when it's finished.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:18 am

Sometimes bike manufacturers in countries that use different dimensional standards exported their domestic models, & sometimes they made "export" models with frame dimensions & thread standards that matched the market where they were to be sold.

Your seatpost diameter may well be the clue to the whole thing as these differed between countries, but is normally marked on the post itself.
A quick search through the Sheldon Brown site should reveal whether the size on the post is French standard or English standard
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Postby Minority » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:13 pm

I can't wait to see it finished to give me an idea what mine might look like when I get a around to working on it.

It would be really nice if you could source some Rapallo decals to finish it off like these ones

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Postby stevendavid75 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:15 pm

great looking frame,
shame about the size though

might be worth having a chat to greg softly or cyclomondo
see here, although looks like he is closed for a little while
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Cyclomondo
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Postby stevebaby » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:54 am

[quote="Minority"]I can't wait to see it finished to give me an idea what mine might look like when I get a around to working on it.

It would be really nice if you could source some Rapallo decals to finish it off like these ones

I'm not sure that I can put decals on it anyway if it's been powdercoated...maybe just put some clear enamel over the decal only and leave the frame alone?
The powdercoat colour is a close match to the original though.
"Crystal Ruby"...4 coats beeudiful!
Not on forum long enought o repeat the links tin your post. Nice pics though.
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Rappalo

Postby stevebaby » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:01 am

The powdercoating is going to cost $170 to sandblast back to bare metal and put 4 coat (silver, 2Xred,clear) or $100 to sandblast and put a solid colour on.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:22 pm

The pain of the higher cost is but transient, but the joy of geting it right lasts forever.
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Postby Minority » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:28 pm

I know it's easy for me to say the extra $70 is worth it, but I think Kid is right.

Check out the bike in this link (also a possible source for decals in the USA, no idea of cost though)

http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t= ... =jrrestore
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Decals

Postby stevebaby » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:45 am

Thanks for the link. So it looks like I can put decals over powdercoat.
Excellent.
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Rapallo

Postby stevebaby » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:49 pm

Chatting to the LBS bloke and he told me that "Rapallo" was not actually a brand. Manufacturers just used to buy the decals and put them on bikes made up from whatever happened to be lying around or going cheap.
He also told me that he can open up the rear dropouts to 130mm to take a modern hub, so rather than waste time trying to find old wheels I'm just going to bung on some Shimano R500s
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Postby Minority » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:20 pm

That definately seems to be the case for some bikes (I wish I could find some of those decal sets in stock somewhere!).

But I think there may also have been Rapallo bikes as there seem to be bikes identical to mine in far flung corners of the globe (well USA I think).

Check out this link:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.ph ... ht=rapallo
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Rapallo

Postby stevebaby » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:40 am

Excellent links, well done.
I just scored a set of Shimano 600 downtube shifters and F and R derailleurs in really good condition for $AUD20.00 and have a pair of NOS Weinmann brakes and levers ($30.00) on the way. The powdercoater rang me last night to let me know the frame is ready for collection.
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Re: Rapallo

Postby il padrone » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:34 pm

stevebaby wrote:Excellent links, well done.
I just scored a set of Shimano 600 downtube shifters and F and R derailleurs in really good condition for $AUD20.00


Hey, did you get these from kukamunga?
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Shimano 600

Postby stevebaby » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:43 am

No, from ebay. I just sent you a PM when I meant to post.
May have another Shimano 600 R/D only soon.
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Postby stevendavid75 » Mon May 05, 2008 12:37 am

Hi all,
Having a look through one o my old mags I found a advert for Rapallo
in national cycling april, may 1981
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