Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

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Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:20 pm

That’s the one I thought we where discussing. I see no reason not to think it’s a V. Other than the colour it’s nearly identical my old dark grey V.
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Postby familyguy » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:30 pm

Yeah, the V went through a few incarnations, different tubing and suppliers probably. It's a shame this one is seemingly a bit far gone for a quick refurb and rebuild.

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby uart » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:34 pm

ChrisCrash wrote: ---- Update - the downtube shifters don't actually fit the frame. They were loose on the frame when I picked it up and I just thought they needed to be tightened up. Wrong.

They are probably just missing some of the washers or insert parts.

THE REALLY BAD... I thought I was buying a quad butted high zoot frame. I didn't think the V came in various flavors of tubing and the seller didnt' specify and I didn't ask, I just Ass-U-Med. So what I got is a "Magny Double Butted" frame, probably not terrible.


How do you know that the tubing is double butted. Does it have some tubing decals? If so then what does it say.

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby ChrisCrash » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:54 pm

what I found out by wasting a lot of time is that the shifter bosses are what's called type A (just like me) Apparently something that only lasted a short while when Shimano and Campag were battling to set the standard for shifter bosses. Campag won that one. So the frame takes a type A shifter which has a 4.5mm fastening screw vs the now common 5mm. So what I need is a Shimano 600 shifter SL-6208-FAI if I want to get it back to factory standard. (anyone?) I not really fussed so any type A shifter will do.

Someone else suggested slapping some parts on and selling it at a loss. Yeah, no. I've scrounged a set of wheels and 7 speed cassette, the brakes are straightened out, I went over the frame and cleaned it up, so lots of "patina". All bearings cleaned and regreased. All I need is the downtube shifters and I'm good to go. I've got the left side shifter operating the RD. Hack but it works.

I could use a shimano 600 RD, but I've got an Exage 300 doing the job for now. For a rider its going to be OK. Not a museum piece and IMHO not worth doing a full paint and decal type resto. It ain't a Colnago and never will be.

The upside is it's got some great original Shimano 600 parts - crankset, headset, calipers and brake levers.

I'll put up a pic when I get to the magic number of postings.

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Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:28 pm

I think I pointed out the issue with the shifters a while back.

I'd take it over a Colnago anytime.
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Postby 10speedsemiracer » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:36 pm

I'm with ssscott, would also take a high-end Apollo of that era over a Colnago
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Postby familyguy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Retro Roadies on FB posted about Colnago's recently, something about 'Master X-Lights so hot all the time and still a huge seller'. I so want to ask "why?" and start that debate...

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Postby ChrisCrash » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:48 am

Colnago vs. Apollo? mmmm, Apollos mostly an Aussie thing? I don't see them for sale in other countries. Colnago possibly recognized as the best steel frame builder in the world? Right or wrong, that's the reason I would not go through a full respray and effort to get decals and all the correct parts on the Apollo V. I'd never recover the cost and for me I don't think its going to be a long time keeper. Maybe a few rides will change my mind if I'm blown away, we'll see.
But like I mentioned before, I've got an 86 Raleigh Grand Prix (531 steel) in much better condition with all the correct 105 parts and the original seat. And it's Purple and Green!

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby familyguy » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:22 am

ChrisCrash wrote:Colnago possibly recognized as the best steel frame builder in the world? Right or wrong...


I'm gonna go with 'wrong' 8)

But yes, the value of a bike is really what it's worth to the owner. Have you taken a look at the vintage BMX market lately? 30/40-something blokes with more money than small nations re/building that NOS/original/mint BMX they couldn't afford as a kid because of the mystique. This is a bit the same.

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby ChrisCrash » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 am

yes, should have added the caveat that an Apollo with the Ishiwata quad butted 019 or 022 tubing would be a contender to compete with the best from Italy. Sadly mine is double butted Kuwahara apparently. But still fairly light for steel
On value I guess its your perspective. For someone chasing the dream, yeah price might not be an issue. I'm doing restos as a bit of a hobby and source of beer money so for me it has to make cents (pun intended).

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby uart » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:01 pm

ChrisCrash wrote:yes, should have added the caveat that an Apollo with the Ishiwata quad butted 019 or 022 tubing would be a contender to compete with the best from Italy. Sadly mine is double butted Kuwahara apparently. But still fairly light for steel


It could be Tange (Champion) No. 2, which is still a very respectable tubing. I believe that was one of the tubings used on the IV.

BTW Chris, are you going to post any pictures?

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:29 pm

My Kuwahara built V was Tange 2 A’s too is my Apollo IV. Tange 2 is easily the equivalent of Columbus SL.

Looking at the construction I would also say the quality of the brazing is better than the Colnagos I’ve seen of the same era.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby ChrisCrash » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:38 pm

Re tubing - mine has a sticker that says "Magny double butted Guaranteed (something scratched off) by Kuwahara". The sticker is pretty mangled so its a bit tough to make it out 100%. There's a small decal at the very bottom of the seat tube that says "Kuwahara Oaska, Japan" The fork is stamped Tange 2.

I went down to my local bike recycler to try to find some A Type downtube shifters. No luck there but I got a pretty good Ultegra 6700 (10 speed) rear derailleur for $20 so who knows how this thing will end up. I could make cable stops fit with a little work. And I've got a VGC Shimano 600 Tricolor groupet with brifters, but the rear tire does not clear the brakes. Nothing easy about this bike unfortunately.
Seems the easiest route is to keep it close to stock, but even that's turning into a PITA. I also found the frame is a bit out of alignment. When I got it the rear spacing was 130. My guess is it would have been 126 from the factory and whoever set it to 130 may not have done it correctly. But no biggie I can get the frame and fork realigned using the proper tools.

I'll post some pics when I hit 10 posts. Can't post yet.

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby ChrisCrash » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:03 pm

Hi. I put the Apollo V on gumtree. Just look up 'Apollo V' in Sandringham vic. Lots of pictures there. Something else has caught my wondering eye, so we'll see what happens.

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