Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby munga » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:47 pm

Well, they're both white.. :)
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Classiciron » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:45 pm

It appears the Apollo VI is very, very rare now. I have owned it since 1984 which I purchased new - off the shelf, because I liked it! in 1984 I paid $1,100 plus another $100 for the extra wheel set. The Superbe high flange hubs I had built with Aray 20A clincher rims as training wheels which I still have and I also have the original Superbe Pro 36H hubs and Araya Gold World Champion tubular rims although not laced at the moment. I have a plan for those as I am slowly piecing together a NOS Superbe Pro group set which I may put to good use for a really nice collector bike which I won't race.

The wheels which I have had built for the Apollo VI for the restoration (bearing in mind that this is one of my race bikes on which I race Masters "B" grade) are again Suntour Superbe Pro Low flange 32H and "Mavic Argent 10" tubular rims.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby The Fixer » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:12 pm

No, seriously, it looks great, and I meant no insult by comparing it to my 'Delta'.

Very nice, indeed!


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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby The Fixer » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:13 pm

munga wrote:Well, they're both white.. :)


And both very nice, original bikes which do look very similar in condition and appearance... :-)
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Classiciron » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:21 pm

No insult taken.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Will.S » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:13 am

I'm hoping for some help from the Appollophiles. I have a 1981 Apollo II that I'm trying to get into a rideable state. A problem is that the chainwheels have been taken apart and disconnected from the crank wheel. My local bike shop didn't have the right size chainwheel bolts to put it all back together. Can anyone give me a description of what I need (size etc) so I can try to track down them down, or suggest somewhere I can get them?
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby LugNut » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:38 am

That Apollo VI is gorgeous. The combination of Suntour Superbe and Ishiwata 019 is absolute perfection in my eyes. Beautiful bike.


Now to dream about it in 61cm and Trek 720 Red...
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby The Fixer » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:32 am

Will.S wrote:I'm hoping for some help from the Appollophiles. I have a 1981 Apollo II that I'm trying to get into a rideable state. A problem is that the chainwheels have been taken apart and disconnected from the crank wheel. My local bike shop didn't have the right size chainwheel bolts to put it all back together. Can anyone give me a description of what I need (size etc) so I can try to track down them down, or suggest somewhere I can get them?



Could be worth your while checking your local recycling centre, rubbish tips (they often salvage and sell
old bikes) or Mens Sheds/charities in your area. You'll likely turn something suitable up to replace or
repair your current chainwheel/crank setup.

My IIs all run Sugino cranks/chainwheels, but they are all different...
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby death valley 69 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:58 am

I got given an Apollo frame and forks this morning. The frame is a large Concorde, all CrMo tri lite tubing with CrMo tri lite forks. The colour is silver with green decals. As I don't know anything about Apollo bikes, I was wondering if you Apollo freaks could enlighten me. :)
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Kermit TF » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:19 pm

death valley 69 wrote:I got given an Apollo frame and forks this morning. The frame is a large Concorde, all CrMo tri lite tubing with CrMo tri lite forks. The colour is silver with green decals. As I don't know anything about Apollo bikes, I was wondering if you Apollo freaks could enlighten me. :)

Without seeing pics, its probably 1986-1990, I think I have one in my frame pile, nice and light from memory. The conorde was mid specd gear. Go thru the pages of postings for specifics.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby death valley 69 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:45 pm

Thanks for the info Kermit TF .

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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby The Fixer » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:40 pm

Crikey, she's tall... I'd need a small set of steps just to mount-up. :-)

Looks nice, tho.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Classiciron » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:18 pm

I was riding leasurely the other week and I noticed the other fellow was riding very nice original condition "champagne pink metallic" Apollo IV with the full Shimano 600EX Arabesque group set. If I see it again I might see if he want to sell it as it was about my size and I could do with it for use on the rollers for my early morning sweat sessions. If I see it again I will get a couple of photos for you guys - even if he doesn't want to sell it.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Kermit TF » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:09 am

Ok DV-69, that frame looks big and clean....get crackin with the build ! :D
Ron, a fellow apollophile down here has a mint lilac IV with arabesque, he put a nice tan brooks saddle on it with matching tan leather bartape....it looks a million dollars. I suppose at some point I should ask him the inevitible question... :roll:
I think 10 pages back somewhere I posted some pics of a small frame lilac IV I did up for my daughter.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby munga » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:12 pm

sorry if it's been posted already, but are there any catalogues online?
mostly interested in the apollo vi.
what years were they produced? how do you determine the year of manufacture?
afaik, they're all pearl white, yeah?
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Kermit TF » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:15 pm

If you go back to page 16, Rob74 posted some bits from his catalogue from around 1985... Ive got the 1984 catalogue..
The V and VI where roughly around these 2 years only. The V was shimano spec and the VI was suntour spec. Yes the VI was only in white and V was in gold.
I can email you the catalogue.

Do we know yet who bought the one on ebay 3 weeks ago ?
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby munga » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:09 pm

Kermit TF wrote:Do we know yet who bought the one on ebay 3 weeks ago ?


we have a rough idea where it is now.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Classiciron » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Munga, based on my own knowledge, the Apollo VI first appeared in 1984 as the 12 speed friction Superbe Pro group set. The bike was a full Japanese build. The second edition of the bike was an indexed Superbe Pro group set marketed as“Accushift” and was likely a seven speed ULTRRA (spacing) freewheel. The Accushift systems were available throughout the range of Suntour gear sets from Superbe Pro down. I am lead to believe that the second edition ( of which the recent ebay VI was) was built in Tiawan but used the Superbe Pro group set. They would have had the Superbe Pro crank set 144BCD. You would be extremely... EXTREMELY lucky to find another one which was still complete as the hubs were/are highly desireable and could well have gone off to another bike. I suspect that was the case with the recent ebay VI as those looked to be Shimano hubs.

I had a mate who at the time worked in the bike shop from which I purchased the Apollo VI and he told me that if I wanted to sell it at the time I could get $2,000 for it as the VI was no longer available and at that time, the second edition had already been released.

The Ishiwata tube company although with a product equally as good as Columbus and Reynolds, didn't enjoy the same commercial success and it was in the mid to late 80's that Ishiwata Tube closed it's doors. Perhaps this had some influence on the short production life of the Apollo VI.

I have posted photos on photobucket earlier in this thread as a reference as it shows all of the decals and components for a pictorial record of the bike as it was purchased. As I have had this bike since new, I am happy to oblige should I be able to help you with your research.

The guts of this info can be found on various web sites if any one is interested enough to brouse out of curiosity.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Kermit TF » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:37 pm

Munga, Tell me you didnt.....
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Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:09 pm

Ishiwata tubing is still available today.

I also believe that all the higher level Apollo frames were manufactured in Japan until the end of the 80's.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby munga » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:40 pm

in a convoluted way, yes i did. i didn't win it at auction, but i ended up buying it afterwards.

cheers for your contribution, Classiciron. I've owned a couple of Apollo's over the years, but never been particularly fond of the marque..
the ebay bike was made in japan, with superbe pro indexed. later model rd.
sr hubs on super champion rims, so not shimano, but not original. i have a set of 28h superbe pro hubs, and the correct rear derailleur for it.
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby The Fixer » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:51 am

in a convoluted way, yes i did. i didn't win it at auction, but i ended up buying it afterwards.


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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Classiciron » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:17 am

The following is copied directly from Sheldon Browns site referring to the Ishiwata tube:

“Ishiwata
From a rec.bicycles.tech posting by Andrew Muzi:


I am intimately familiar with Ishiwata and their products, having been in the factory a few times, spec'd many bikes with their steel and built with it. I still use Ishiwata tube for frame repair.

The material [022] is virtually identical to Columbus SP/SL/SLX. The top range of tubes were seamless double-butted and the finish quality [as delivered to the builder] was much higher than Columbus. The tubing gauge of the 022 is 0.9/0.6 mm, exactly the same as Columbus SP. It's called "022" because the frame tube set weighs 2.2 kilos. The same material drawn thinner to 0.8/0.5 mm is called "019" because it weighs 1.9 kilos, just like Columbus SL. Many builders, then and now, mix gauges so a small frame might be all 019 but a 56 would have 022 chainstays and downtube for example.

Trek in the late '70s built three racing frames, one with Ishiwata, one Reynolds 531 and one Columbus. Geometry and weight were identical. The prices were unreasonably different because of the cachet of Italian tubing, making the Ishiwata frame the best value. Marketing took over later as the Ishiwata was dropped completely. With the advent of aluminum, the currency crash and the Japanese depression, Ishiwata closed the doors in the early '90s.”

So I stand corrected on the closure date of the Ishiwata factory which was 1993 according to the next link. Thanks Singlespeedscott. :)

Below is a link which provides a little more insight to the what happened Ishiwata Tube Co.
http://www.bikeschool.com/store/index.cgi?sp=kaisei

Based on this info, Ishiwata tube is now marketed as Kaisei tubing as the Ishiwata Tube Company no longer exists. Same product - different name on the package I suppose...
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby Kermit TF » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:22 pm

Munga, when you get bored of it, make sure you give me 1st option.. :mrgreen:
Its the only one I need to complete the set. :roll:
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Re: Apollophiles - The Apollo Appreciation Thread

Postby bychosis » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:12 pm

death valley 69 wrote:Thanks for the info Kermit TF .

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Same colour as the one I have, shown here.

As far as I can tell its 95 model, based on components within the groupset, which is (was) full shimano RSX. Rides nice as my road commuter now.
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