I has a project
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Postby winona_rider » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:21 pm
they look great.
i needs more toe clearance!
*adds to watch list*
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:43 pm
These look to be Taiwanese era M/Star forks with stamped stainless steel fork crown cover & practical headlight bracket mounting brazed to the right fork blade.
Still, they could be OK. Since the bike will be painted anyway, it won't take much to remove the fitting from the right blade & since the steer tube looks too long, then a framebuilder will easily push the tube down through the fork crown to the right distance & cut off the surplus from the bottom.
Could be the GO.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:08 pm
Kid_Carbine wrote: headlight bracket mounting brazed to the right fork blade.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:46 pm
These fittings, & mudguards are seen on even the best quality bikes of this classic era in the UK, even when competing in races, but here in Australia we wouldn't be seen dead with such accoutrements unless you were riding a commuter roadster to work every day.
I know that if I should ever be fortunate enough to secure a top end Hobbs, Bates, Hetchins or other truly classic frame the first thing to go will be any of these ghastly brazed-on additions that the Brits seem to think are so necessary, but then Australia has much better weather & if you need to ride in the dark then an accessory stem mounted lamp bracket will do.
Mmmmm 1956 Bates BAR [Best All Rounder] with 531 DB Cantiflex tubing, Nervex Professional lugs & Diadrant forks plus all the best components including Brooks Swallow saddle, .... it doesn't get much better than this.
The seemingly obligatory mudguards & lamp bracket are clearly seen.
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Postby winona_rider » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:50 pm
KC: do you think they worked? they sure look good in a crazy sort of way...
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:58 am
The reality of the matter is that facts mean nothing & 'perception' is everything. If the cycling press, the public & the riders 'think' it works, then that's all that matters.
Of course, something that's a dud usually doesn't last very long in the marketplace & I believe that on special order you can get the Cantiflex tubing & Diadrant forks on your new Bates even today, more than 70 years after it was first introduced, so that's got to tell us something right there.
You have no idea how much I want to pick up the phone & place an order for a duplicate of a late 40's BAR frame, ..... minus the lamp bracket & mudguard fittings of course. [slaps hand away from phone]
Oh well, one day perhaps, ... in another life.
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Postby CTA » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:18 am
Where are the photos of the Super Coureur? And what size is it? I know of a someone who may want this bike if you want to sell it.
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Postby stevendavid75 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:09 am
Would it be fair to suggest that the Pinarello onda forks are based on a similar principle, just with the curve a bit further up the fork blade?
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Postby kukamunga » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:33 pm
Sorry. Sold to Abbotsford Cycles late last year. Not sure what they have done with it. And no photos, unfortunately!CTA wrote:Tony,
Where are the photos of the Super Coureur? And what size is it? I know of a someone who may want this bike if you want to sell it.
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Postby WyvernRH » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:31 pm
<snip>I know that if I should ever be fortunate enough to secure a top end Hobbs, Bates, Hetchins or other truly classic frame the first thing to go will be any of these ghastly brazed-on additions that the Brits seem to think are so necessary, quote]
Erm, yes the lamp braket was a legal requirement for a long time, plus your racing bike was often your commuting bike in those days. I will warn you that if you do ever aquire a top quality 40s/50s Brit frame and mutilate it by removing the lamp bracket and mudguard eyes I will have no hesitation in dobbing you in to the VCC in the UK who will no doubt send over a highly efficient hit man to persuade you of your folly
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:56 pm
Such a bike, of course, would never again be used for such pedestrian & mundane tasks as commuting.
Why on earth anyone in Australia would want to clutter up & weigh down such pristine beauty with these unnecessary bibs & bobs that protrude like warts on the nose of Miss World, would be beyond me.
Australian lightweights were NEVER burdened with such visual & artistic horrors & quite rightly, good riders would not be seen dead with them on a custom made machine.
But it's all speculation of course as a Lotto win is not likely to come my way anytime soon.
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Postby winona_rider » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:11 pm
i won that auction - what's the best way to cut that lamp bracket off?
hacksaw? and what type of filler?
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Postby Birdman » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:40 pm
Let me guess, you don't know the correct amount.MountGower wrote: Be warned, you don't want any old amount of heat, just the correct amount.
Like saying i know how to make a cake off by heart, i just don't know the ingredients.
Mitch.
Until next time...
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:33 pm
DO NOT HEAT THE FORK.winona_rider wrote:hey KC...
i won that auction - what's the best way to cut that lamp bracket off?
hacksaw? and what type of filler?
If you have access to a suitable heating torch, like oxy & gas or oxy acetylene, then apply heat directly to the bracket itself. The heat will work towards the fork, through the brass that is holding it on.
If the fork is held upright, then when the brass is soft enough the bracket should just fall off.
If you heat the thin metal of the fork blade the heat must work its way inward from the edge & the bracket acts as a hear sink meaning that you need to pour a lot of heat into the blade & you can easily overheat it if not careful & damage the structural integrity of the metal at that point.
Once it's off & before the metal has time to cool [like, within a second or so] give the fork surface a quick wipe with a 100% cotton rag [not synthetic] or with the leather glove, in one direction only, to flick away any surplus molten brass. It may even be necessary to reheat that spot to remove any lumps, but do it with care.
After that you may need a file to dress down any brass remaining & some abrasive tape to finish it off.
Hopefully you have a suitable workshop to do this in.
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Postby WyvernRH » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:03 pm
Me personally I would just leave it alone.
Cheers
Richard
(who really hates applying any sort of heat to forks after the initial brazing up
Kid_Carbine wrote:DO NOT HEAT THE FORK.winona_rider wrote:hey KC...
i won that auction - what's the best way to cut that lamp bracket off?
hacksaw? and what type of filler?
If you have access to a suitable heating torch, like oxy & gas or oxy acetylene, then apply heat directly to the bracket itself. The heat will work towards the fork, through the brass that is holding it on.
If the fork is held upright, then when the brass is soft enough the bracket should just fall off.
If you heat the thin metal of the fork blade the heat must work its way inward from the edge & the bracket acts as a hear sink meaning that you need to pour a lot of heat into the blade & you can easily overheat it if not careful & damage the structural integrity of the metal at that point.
Once it's off & before the metal has time to cool [like, within a second or so] give the fork surface a quick wipe with a 100% cotton rag [not synthetic] or with the leather glove, in one direction only, to flick away any surplus molten brass. It may even be necessary to reheat that spot to remove any lumps, but do it with care.
After that you may need a file to dress down any brass remaining & some abrasive tape to finish it off.
Hopefully you have a suitable workshop to do this in.
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Postby WyvernRH » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:14 pm
Cheers
Richard
Kid_Carbine wrote:The chances of me securing one of the true classics from this era as a bare frameset are extrordinarily slim, but if such a frame was scruffy enough to be up for a paint job, then, since the lamp bracket is a simple braze on, as are the mudguard brackets, all of which are a blight on the pure, true clean & simple lines of a single speed lightweight, these eyesores would be surgically removed at the speed of light.
Such a bike, of course, would never again be used for such pedestrian & mundane tasks as commuting.
Why on earth anyone in Australia would want to clutter up & weigh down such pristine beauty with these unnecessary bibs & bobs that protrude like warts on the nose of Miss World, would be beyond me.
Australian lightweights were NEVER burdened with such visual & artistic horrors & quite rightly, good riders would not be seen dead with them on a custom made machine.
But it's all speculation of course as a Lotto win is not likely to come my way anytime soon.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:44 am
This is often [but not always] seen as the best way to do it.
While he is at it he can remove the wart in a trice & he will know how to do it properly.
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Postby winona_rider » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:06 pm
I love fyxomatosis just as much as the next guy - so here is my homage....
don't look too close - the spray job is woeful up close! hopefully i will be going too fast for anyone to be able to tell.. lol
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Shaun
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Postby winona_rider » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:49 pm
but she went smooth, and awesome. shhh. no telling.
i am really getting the hang of fixies... it's like art.
hardly using the brake at all...
i was telling ukalipt the other day...it is like a right vs left brain thing.
my left brain wants to go fast and have the control of a new-school racing bike, while my right brain appreciates the aesthetics, the style and the fluidity of a fixie which is so natural and like walking or like just a natural extention of your legs. ART!
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