Bol d'Or

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Bol d'Or

Postby Kid_Carbine » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:33 pm

Nothing "retro" here, this is the real McKoy. With more & more original old bikes showing up, perhaps we can have a proper section for them instead of 'retro'

Here's a new toy that I picked up on behalf of a forun member.
It's a C1957 to about 1959 Bol d'Or Track bike. These were hand built in Sydney, but I know little more than that at the moment, so hopefully someone can add some detail.
One thing that I noticed is that it has never been drilled for brakes, so this one was never converted for road use. It's been a dedicated track bike all its life

This one has beautiful 4 flute Magistroni cranks. The hubs are early single sided Normandy track items.
The lug work is typical of many bespoke frames of this quality, ...... very nice.

This bike came around full circle & back into the hands of the original framebuilder apparently, 50 years later, who then restored it. I suspect that he still had some of the original decals.

I will keep it here untill it's new owner is able take delivery, which won't be for quite a few weeks, sooooo, ...... do you think anyone would notice an old fat git trying to do a hot lap around the block on this?
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Postby Mulger bill » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:54 pm

:shock: Those wheels look funny :wink:

Go for a blast Kid, I won't tell a soul...

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Postby cludence » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:17 pm

Kid, I think you would be safer on your yellow repco. It has training wheels if I remember correctly.

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Postby Mulger bill » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:49 pm

cludence wrote:Kid, I think you would be safer on your yellow repco. It has training wheels if I remember correctly.

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:lol: Thanks :wink:

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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:05 pm

HA - HA, very funny. [pokes out tongue], but then again, .......

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Postby GaryF » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:00 am

It looks to be in pretty good nic. Very nice.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:41 am

It's available for hire [the Repco that is] from Café Dérailleur in wonderful Bundanoon.
[Yes, it's part of the hire fleet.]

EDIT
Yes Gary, the Bol d'Or has been restored, so hopefully it will remain in good shape for many years to come.
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Postby cludence » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:47 am

I think the maintainer of the fleet should get the boot. The seat needs a decent clean.

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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:59 am

The lugs could benefit from some subtle outline pinstriping in my humble view in order to highlight their fancy cut style, & style it has in spades.
None of this 'retro' rubbish.

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Postby stevendavid75 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:36 am

Ah Bundanoon,
Is that the place that had the "olde bicycle shop" up in the high lands south of sydney with the glow worms???

I think I stayed there a few years ago and remember seeing the shop and it was closed but would have loved to have a had a look around.
I think I stayed in the YHA and they had a copy of a book for sale about the history of a particular race in the area.
Any idea what the book might have been KC?
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:12 pm

stevendavid75 wrote:Ah Bundanoon,
Is that the place that had the "olde bicycle shop" up in the high lands south of sydney with the glow worms???

I think I stayed there a few years ago and remember seeing the shop and it was closed but would have loved to have a had a look around.
I think I stayed in the YHA and they had a copy of a book for sale about the history of a particular race in the area.
Any idea what the book might have been KC?

That's the place. The little yellow Repco is parked alongside the mural on the wall of "Ye Old Bicycle Shop" where I work & it now incorporates Cafe Derailleur, a highly recomended place to refresh oneself after a lovely turn in the saddle.


Was this book titled "90 Years of a Cycling Classic" the story of the Goulburn to Sydney by Jack Hepher & John Drummond. If so, then you should have bought a copy as it's now highly sought after.
A second edition has been produced, ... in very limited quantities, & a few are still available if wanted.
Jack is 92 years old now & was a neighbour untill a few years back when he moved a couple of towns up the road. He still has his 1938 Carbine race bike & I took him to the reunion at Dunc Gray velodrome in the latter part of last year.
Jack raced on Carbines six times in the 'Goulburn' before WW2 but only once on this particular bike.
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Postby stevendavid75 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:27 pm

yep thats it, the book sounds quite interesting and I thought it might have been the goulburn to Sydney but then I thought it would have been too far, but you know....

I would be half interested in a copy of the book (reprint) if there are any about?

If I am ever up that way again I will be sure to pop in!
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:41 pm

I'll contact jack to see if he still has one.
I will PM you with some details.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:04 pm

Well it seems that a fellow forumite, who wished to remain un-named, has done a little digging & has sent me the following info from the Canberra Cycle Museum's website.
It would seem that Bob Tait, the son of Joe Tait who was the the owner of the bicycle shop that produced the Bol d'Or, delivered an address at the 14th Cycling History conference held at the Museum.

Here is a link to the relevant page on their website.

This is copied directly from that web page.

Bob Tait, New Zealand. .........................Joe Tait’s “Bol D’Or” Cycles

Joe Tait, my father, named his handmade racing cycles after the famous French cycle race – the “BOL D’OR” or bowl of gold. Joe was born in Deniliquin and began cycle rcing there as a teenager. Having trained as a cycle mechanic, specialising in crafting racing frames and wheels, he started his Bexley cycle business. Joe invented and made many of his own specialised tools. He operated as a sole cycle trader from the 1940’s up till the early 70’s at 326 Forest Rd Bexley, a Sydney suburb. Our family helped at the shop, which was next to the Bexley Primary School. Joe encouraged and trained many riders – from school to international riders. Bicycles and all aspects of cycling were a central part of his life, and the paper will pay tribute to that, accompanied by photos of the shop and the era.
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From information received, at least some of the frames appear to have been made by a well respected outside framebuilder who was the person who restored this one.

Many thanks to those who, from time to time, contact me with valued snippets of info & this is but an example of how networks & forums work for the benefit of all
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Postby cludence » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:43 pm

Jim Bundy made this bike and also restored recently. I am not sure how he came by it the second time. I will have to ask him. He made many bikes for the Taits under the Bol D'or name.

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Postby ukalipt » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:33 pm

wow. that is a very nice looking track bike.
so is peter bundy and relation to jack?
there was a peter bundy road bike on ebay in the last week that did look like quiet a nice bike, fetching almost as much as 531db newly acquired malvern star

as a matter of interest. what would have been the cost of a bike of this quality back in its day? would they have been really expensive?
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:11 pm

ukalipt wrote:wow. that is a very nice looking track bike.
so is peter bundy and relation to jack?
there was a peter bundy road bike on ebay in the last week that did look like quiet a nice bike, fetching almost as much as 531db newly acquired malvern star

as a matter of interest. what would have been the cost of a bike of this quality back in its day? would they have been really expensive?

Peter Bundy is a son of Jim Bundy.
Jack is Jack Hepher [pronounced Heefer] who started selling bike parts from his fathers furniture store in Campbeltown NSW in 1933.
The Hephers & Bundy's are not related.

The Peter Bundy frame in your link would have been made by Jim & the whole bike built up by Peter.

I have scans of one of Jack Hepher's ledgers here from the 30's & this might give some indication of pricing parity.
This was his wholesale buying price for three Carbine bicycles in July of 1938. [Jack was the only dedicated Carbine dealer outside the actual shop in Wentworth Ave Sydney]

12 July. Union Racer No. 11168. .. 9 pounds 8 shillings & 7 pence.
The Union Racer was their top end production offering that could well have been built with 531 plain gauge tubing & this was close to two weeks wages. Remember, this is not the retail price
There was a Club Racer model at almost 8 quid wholesale too.

12 July. Utility Racer No. 11322. .. 6 pounds 15 shillings & 4 pence.
This was more of a sports type bike that could easily be used in club events, training, commuting, or actual competition. This was also close to, or slightly more than, a weeks wages for a working bloke, depending on what one did for a crust & again, it isn't the retail price.


21 July. Carbine Juvenile bike No. 11532. .. 5 pounds 2 shillings & 7 pence.
This too was pretty much a weeks wages. There is no notation of any extras on this one, so it would have been either a fixed wheel machine, or single speed freewheel with one brake, whatever the standard spec was at the time.

My 1937 Carbine Pacemaker [made only to customers order] in 531 D/B tube, 'REX' wood rims, & fitted with 3 speed Osgear dérailleur was valued at almost 15 quid according to the original owner when I interviewed him in the early 90's.
[EDIT A check of my notes from when I interviewed the original owner shows that he actually 'paid' almost 15 quid for it. The retail value was thought to be [he said] somewhere between 19 to about 21 pounds at the time. He never really knew for sure.]
He was 'sponsored' to the degree that he was able to buy the bike at wholesale price, or perhaps even cost price. Retail would have been somewhere between 3 & 4 [edit- actually more than this] weeks wages for a working man, perhaps more for a labourer.

This parity remained fairly constant into the 50's as inflation was almost unheard of until Prime Minister Bob Menzies engineered inflation to rise to the dizzying heights of 4% or more sometime in the 50's.
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Postby ukalipt » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:12 pm

its really interesting.
according to this for 2007 the average
1 102.40 [i would imagine grose] = $57,324.80 / yr - tax would be $12,547.44.
which basically brakes down to $861.10/w in the hand [if my math is still ok]
so
wholesale the 11168 - would be about $1700
so retail [say 30% mark up?] would make it around $2200
something today
here
here on special!
http://www.cyclery.com.au/our-bikes-bic ... ond-Alpe-d `-Huez_bike-detail_251
[copy paste above link won't work with the funky character after "Alpe-d"]
you might be able to talk them down a little on that one
here this is sports fitness. not performance.

but these aren't the expensive bikes!

i guess when you look at the higher end wages people earn now - the expensive bikes aren't that expensive.
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Postby Kid_Carbine » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:41 am

You most definately get a lot more 'bang for buck' when it comes to a new bike purchase these days.
Bikes with 27 different ratios are almost standard equipment these days, along with alloy frames, alloy bars, stems, derailleurs, cranks, pedals, brakes, seat posts, rims & anything else I didn't think of, & this is on the K-Mart model. Even Carbon is becoming much more affordable.

The only alloy on my race Carbine is the flanges of the hubs [steel center parts] & the brakes, & even this was seen on only the more expensive bikes at the time. Most rode & raced on steel hubs even into the 50's.

Almost everybody rode either fixed wheel or single speed in competition & three speed gears were for the well heeled & serious racers in the pre war years. It wasn't untill the early 50's that two speed front chainrings & matching derailleurs were much seen & even then the difference in size was usually about 3 teeth as this was about as much as the simple front derailleurs could handle. Still, 10 speed bikes were a reality for those who could afford it.
Many were still using steel rims & single speed in the Goulburn to Sydney in the early post war years & all alloy hubs were not made by many manufacturers before the mid 50's. [Except for the Aussie maker VEW who made all alloy hubs as early as 1936]
Unlike the UK, the Sturmey Archer hub gears were never really popular in anything more than the lower end roadster bikes.


Ahhh yes, those young whippersnappers today don't know just how well off they are, ... why in my day, ...........
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