Nice. But what's going on with your STI lever placement?
Centurion Appreciation Society
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$40 on gumtree at the moment. No reply on groupset or details. Figured someone in here might be interested (not mine BTW)
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby matt1986 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:33 pm
Question: were Australian imported Centurions branded 'Triathlon Master' instead of the more common (and apparently concurrent) 'Dave Scott Ironman Master' - the two bikes appear identically spec'd, but there is little to no info on the 'Triathlon Master'
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby QuangVuong » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:25 pm
And a whole lot of info on Centurions. My Carbon is up there in the rarity ranks.
RobbieTunes wrote:Depends on the years; really does.
The Pro, Semi Pro, and Pro Tour always throw me off, so I stay out of that part of it.
I'll just stick with the top few, the years I know more about. There's always some debate.
I've not had any models other than those listed here, and have not owned a "straight" Carbon or an Elite RS.
There were many lower level models, which were also, generally, better equipped than the price point competitors.
Not always, but generally. There was a Lemans mixte in there, too, and a track bike, the Trac.
Bear in mind I am by no means an authority or an expert on this;
I've just had some and am perfectly willing to say what I think, and claim the right to be wrong.
(Sort of the opposite of being married)
1983:
Turbo
Lemans RS
1984:
Turbo
Comp TA
Lemans RS
1985:
Cinelli Centurion Equipe vs. Prestige for top of the heap.
Dave Scott Ironman
Elite/RS vs. Lemans/RS (depending on whether you liked Shimano or Suntour)
1986:
Dave Scott Ironman
Elite/RS vs. Facet (steel w/Shimano 600 vs. aluminum w/Suntour Sprint)
Lemans/RS (I've not seen an '86 that I was sure was an '86, but LBS says they were out there)
1987:
Dave Scott Ironman Master (600EX)
Dave Scott Ironman Expert (105) some like that 105 better than that 600EX
Lemans/RS
1988:
Dave Scott Ironman Carbon (Dura Ace)
Dave ScottIronman Master (steel 600 tricolor) vs. "straight" Carbon (CF 600 tricolor)
Dave ScottIronman Expert (105)
Lemans/RS (Taiwan)
1989:
Prestige (Dura Ace) I've only seen one. A BF member has a blue/white fade.
Dave ScottIronman Master (600 tricolor)
Dave ScottIronman Expert (Suntour GPX)
Lemans/RS (Taiwan)
The wild card is sort of that later 80's Prestige; I think it was '89, but the decals are more in line with the 88's.
By '89, they'd subdued the decals a bit. In '88, they were "busy," to say the least.
I'd also like to stress that there was very little difference between the Ironman Expert and the Ironman Master, until 1989.
Anecdotal stuff:
The Turbo, early Prestige, and Cinelli-made Equipe are often said to be fully chromed under the paint. I know of a Turbo that was stripped 100% and if the frame isn't polished, it sure is some smooth "rough" work. The Prestige is chromed, but not polished chrome, under the painted parts. My paint guy says the Equipe is chromed and "good enough to leave stripped" all over, but the only thing I know for pretty much certain is that the forks on all three of those models are polished chrome plated under the paint.
The Elite had the same components one year as the Ironman, at least one of them I saw did.
The Facet was raced by the all-female team, and their bikes were pink. Later, they raced re-badged Italian bikes.
Rebecca Twigg was a team member. It was Centurion's only offering, that I know of, in aluminum. Some think the Facet was the equal of the Ironman in 1986, due to the racing team. Having both, I sure can't choose based on frame, components, or wheelsets.
Of those who've had several Ironman bikes, some feel the '86 in red/white with the copper Araya's and red-hooded DC brakeset was the smoothest and most elegant of the Ironmen. I can't really argue with that.
In 1989, Centurion stated they'd tweaked the geometry on the Ironman. Those who have had several, including the black '89 Expert, seem to all report that the black Expert frame is a bit snappier than the other Ironman models. That is also my experience. The Master and fade Expert models seem to be smoother than the black Expert model in '89.
All the late Ironman bikes had tires that were generally hated, Panaracer Technova II's. They said 700x19 on the raised lettering, and 700x18 on the labels. They were hard as rock, and this contributed to lots of truing needed on the later model Araya CTL-370 rims if the bikes were raced hard.
Scarcity is an issue that doesn't always make the price go up, for Centurions, anyway. The Ironman can't be that rare, as I have not once gone on a group ride or a century when someone didn't recognize the bike and say they once had one, much like a Puegeot or an older Schwinn.
My rarity ranking:
"straight" Carbon model
Prestige
Facet
'87 Master, Turbo, '85 Ironman
Comp TA, Elite RS, '86 Ironman
Cinelli Centurion Equipe-most are in the hands of one dealer.
'88 Expert, '89 Master
'89 Expert
'87 Expert, probably the most numerous.
Pricing, an educated guess:
Cinelli Centurion Equipe
Turbo, Prestige
Facet
Ironman models
Elite RS
Lemans RS
Elite
Lemans
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby Wazza » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:37 am
QuangVuong wrote:An Ironman event is a triathlon. So it may well be the same bike. All I can confirm is that international models had different decals, and names, but were spec'd the same. Best source of info would be RobbieTunes over on BikeForums. He was my source of info on my Centurion.
And a whole lot of info on Centurions. My Carbon is up there in the rarity ranks.RobbieTunes wrote:?.....
Bear in mind I am by no means an authority or an expert on this;
I've just had some and am perfectly willing to say what I think, and claim the right to be wrong.
(Sort of the opposite of being married)
1989:
Prestige (Dura Ace) I've only seen one. A BF member has a blue/white fade ...........
My rarity ranking:
"straight" Carbon model
Prestige
Facet
'87 Master, Turbo, '85 Ironman
Comp TA, Elite RS, '86 Ironman
Cinelli Centurion Equipe-most are in the hands of one dealer.
'88 Expert, '89 Master
'89 Expert
'87 Expert, probably the most numerous.
Pricing, an educated guess:
Cinelli Centurion Equipe
Turbo, Prestige........
Build date of May/June '89 according to the serial number. And yes Josh deal fell through
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby QuangVuong » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:01 pm
RobbieTubes got back to me on this. The Triathlon Master is indeed the international model of the Dave Scott Ironman Master.matt1986 wrote:Just picked up a Tange #1 / 6400 equipped 'Triathlon Master' for $150. It's dirty, but barely ridden - the terrible 80s paintjob is perfectly intact. Restoring it for a friend, photos to come!
Question: were Australian imported Centurions branded 'Triathlon Master' instead of the more common (and apparently concurrent) 'Dave Scott Ironman Master' - the two bikes appear identically spec'd, but there is little to no info on the 'Triathlon Master'
Cheers
Wazza, that 89? Prestige is basically an Ironman with Prestige tubing which would've ran 6400. It's not as good as the 85 Prestige that had 6 speed DA with chromed parts. Anyway, RobbieTunes would be interested in that frame. Maybe you'd like to get it touch with him. However, postage may be a deterrant.
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Postby Velo13 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:43 am
Aaah, maybe we should talk again. I have just found out my most recent purchase is tragically bent ....Wazza wrote: And yes Josh deal fell through
Waz
Oh, and IIRC, for some reason the "Dave Scott" didn't appear on Australian models. Same bikes though.
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Postby rogerrabbit » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:17 pm
I had thought it would need restoring but the paint is actually in excellent order except for a couple of areas.
Pics of the now restored orange 72 Centurion Pro will be up in a few days, just waiting for grey brake cables to arrive.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby Lots of steel bikes » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:56 pm
Yep, used an old chain that I had lying around. Thought it would be close. Will add one or two.singlespeedscott wrote:Very nice but I think you could do with a couple more links in your chain. That rear derailleur is way over stretched.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society
Postby QuangVuong » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:05 pm
If they start getting worse, then give them a clean up as per my thread, or send them over.
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and no, dropping a brifter in a bucket of petrol is not experience enough for me, or many others on this forum.
ftfyQuangVuong wrote:RSX shifters are functional, but should not be compared to the 105, 600, and DA shifters of the time..
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Centurion Pro 1974 on ebay
Postby rogerrabbit » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:46 pm
This is the 3rd Centurion Pro I have seen in this size come up for sale this year. There have been none in the previous 4 years. If only this one had come up before I bought mine a few months ago, as mine needed a respray. Oh well...
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