Centurion Appreciation Society

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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby LugNut » Sat May 18, 2013 6:29 pm

munga wrote:so now whaddayagunnadoo?

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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat May 18, 2013 6:47 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:I have finally acquired a Centurion Professional after looking for 5 years. This is a 60cm ctc so exactly the right size for me. It is a 1972 model made in Mexico by Windsor. This was the first model Centurion ever made as far as I know, and is effectively a rebadged Windsor Professional, which is a Cinelli SC copy. The later Centurion Pro from Japan in the later 1970's was very much the same and also a Cinelli SC copy. I know of only one other of these in the USA (Mine is shipping from the USA). Centurion was a US brand, with the frames mostly made in Japan with the exception of these very early frames. I don't know what happened with Centurion between 1973 and 1975, and I have never seen any. it may be that those 2 years were taken preparing to bring the Japanese sourced range to market.

This one has had 2 owners that were friends. I am told the bike is original apart from saddle, bar tape and other consumables. Notably no Centurion downtube decals and apparently there never were any. This is also the case on the other one of these I have seen.

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Mate that looks great. Looks a bit bigger than a 60 ctc to me. That frame must be pushing 24 1/2" c-t.

I look forward to your finished pictures. I am sure it will come up a cracker like all your others.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Sat May 18, 2013 8:37 pm

Um, 60cm ctc is about exactly 24.5" ctt :-). So you are spot on.

It will be a few months to restore. The frame may go to the UK for a stove enamelled finish by Argos or Mercian, which is very hard wearing.

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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat May 18, 2013 8:56 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:Um, 60cm ctc is about exactly 24.5" ctt :-). So you are spot on.

It will be a few months to restore. The frame may go to the UK for a stove enamelled finish by Argos or Mercian, which is very hard wearing.

Cheers
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I would have thought a 60cm c-c would equal around 61cm or 24" c-t.

I have always believed the c-c measurement for seat tubes to be a useless way to determine bicycle size.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to send your frame to Star Enamellers or Joe Cosgrove for a repaint?
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Sat May 18, 2013 9:13 pm

Yep, you are right. I am a bit off on my Maths. It is a 24.5" which is closer to 61cm than 60cm ctc.

I have had a few frames sprayed by Star. They have a nice but fragile paint that chips very easily. Stoved enamel is long lasting and hard. I also go to the UK regularly so no freight cost, and the paint job is actually cheaper at Mercian or Argos too.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat May 18, 2013 10:10 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:I have had a few frames sprayed by Star. They have a nice but fragile paint that chips very easily. Stoved enamel is long lasting and hard. I also go to the UK regularly so no freight cost, and the paint job is actually cheaper at Mercian or Argos too.

Interesting.

What sort of prices do they charge?
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Sat May 18, 2013 10:25 pm

Mercian gbp 135 without decals.

http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/renovation

Argos is about the same
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat May 18, 2013 10:46 pm

Man that's cheap. Might be worth shipping it there and back.

Why are they so cheap? Or more to the point, why do we pay so much for frame painting in Australia?
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby munga » Sun May 19, 2013 9:15 am

labour costs in .au are more expensive i reckon. that, and volume.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby find_bruce » Sun May 19, 2013 12:53 pm

& exchange rate - looked a lot more expensive when it took 3 Aussie battlers to buy a £
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby Paddles » Sun May 19, 2013 4:25 pm

Hey FB, the Ironman rides very differently to the old Shogun, I haven't compared the dimensions of each but it must be a lot less rake up front as it changes direction really quickly, yet somehow it still stays quite stable on our bumpy roads, I've only been for a steady 20km ride with it so far (just a quick burn with my munchkin this morning) and have just now run the tools over it to nip up everything but it rides fantastic, i'm very pleased, another mid/late 80's machine back on the road with period parts.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby familyguy » Mon May 20, 2013 10:27 am

rogerrabbit wrote:I have finally acquired a Centurion Professional after looking for 5 years. This is a 60cm ctc so exactly the right size for me. It is a 1972 model made in Mexico by Windsor. This was the first model Centurion ever made as far as I know, and is effectively a rebadged Windsor Professional, which is a Cinelli SC copy. The later Centurion Pro from Japan in the later 1970's was very much the same and also a Cinelli SC copy. I know of only one other of these in the USA (Mine is shipping from the USA). Centurion was a US brand, with the frames mostly made in Japan with the exception of these very early frames. I don't know what happened with Centurion between 1973 and 1975, and I have never seen any. it may be that those 2 years were taken preparing to bring the Japanese sourced range to market.

This one has had 2 owners that were friends. I am told the bike is original apart from saddle, bar tape and other consumables. Notably no Centurion downtube decals and apparently there never were any. This is also the case on the other one of these I have seen.

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Spectacular, Roger. I'm guessing it was a long and chancy search? The early Centurions were much, much more of a quality bicycle than some of the later bike boom stuff they put their name to. Aside from yours, I've not seen any other quality early ones over here.

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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Mon May 20, 2013 12:34 pm

All the early high end ones in Oz seem to be under brands other than Centurion. I have seen a couple of 1982 Centurion Aero Pro's with Bennett branding, a few Pro-Tours with Shimano branding, a Semi-pro with Suntour branding, and similar examples in the UK.

I did acquire a Centurion branded Semi-Pro in a large size locally a couple of years ago, but that may have also been imported by someone.

Centurion was a US brand and mostly were in the US in the 70's.

I think the 1972 version was probably US only, and I suspect was very low volume with only the Pro model as far as I know.


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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby muzzie » Wed May 22, 2013 10:34 pm

Hi, here are a few pics of my centurion i found in the clear up. All i had done for these photos was take the tri bars off, old Time pedals and some elbo grease! A sweet find!
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Ive since got it sand plasted and powder coated white. In Retro-spect I wouldnt have. Its still running the full 105.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby muzzie » Wed May 22, 2013 10:43 pm

And here it is now, 3m bar and stem, quill adaptor, speed play pedals, 2 new bottle cages and no replacement stickers yet!
Its my main road bike and I love it, done about 1000km on it since the re spray, love the suicide shifting in traffic!

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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby sled » Thu May 23, 2013 11:13 am

Muzzie nice bike, might see you around the northern beaches im often on my centurion turbo
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rkelsen » Thu May 23, 2013 12:53 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:I have finally acquired a Centurion Professional after looking for 5 years. This is a 60cm ctc so exactly the right size for me.

Congrats on the find. It looks to be in pretty good condition for a 40yo.

I probably wouldn't do much other than clean, lube and replace consumables. And then ride... 8)
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Thu May 23, 2013 1:54 pm

The Centurion Pro has arrived. 6 days from Minneapolis door to door!

Well packed at first glance. I will be able to unpack it tonight :-)
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Thu May 23, 2013 4:50 pm

Excited?
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby sled » Thu May 23, 2013 7:13 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:The Centurion Pro has arrived. 6 days from Minneapolis door to door!

Well packed at first glance. I will be able to unpack it tonight :-)



Pics Mr Rabbit
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby rogerrabbit » Thu May 23, 2013 8:50 pm

Since you asked :D

The bike apparently has its original parts, apart from brake levers, stem (extra tall version), saddle, chain, freewheel, pads, rear rim/spokes. All the campagnolo parts are very clean and it has early logo Christophe toeclips too.

I have communicated with the previous owner, who bought it off his friend, who bought it new.

It definitely needs a respray, sadly. The paint is a solid orange, rather than the later metallic orange, and with the relative lack of decals and the mint chrome it will be relatively straight forward.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby LugNut » Thu May 23, 2013 9:01 pm

rogerrabbit wrote:Since you asked :D


Super, super nice. It's good to know that a bicycle like this is in the right hands, I can't wait to see this one fastidiously restored. :D Original matte orange, metallic orange, or different colour entirely?
Or maybe just keep us hanging until after the UK trip, it will be worth the wait.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby munga » Thu May 23, 2013 10:39 pm

knowing rogers builds, it'll be as god intended. solid, non-metallic gloss orange, but not too glossy.
may we all have the patience to build bikes as nicely.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby singlespeedscott » Fri May 24, 2013 4:36 am

So nice.
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Re: Centurion Appreciation Society

Postby QuangVuong » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:29 pm

80's Bundy
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88 Giant Cadex 980c
89 Centurion Carbon
89 Peugeot Carbon Pro
99 Kestrel 200 EMS

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