Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Jenny1977 » Sat May 10, 2014 6:12 pm

Just bought myself my first Malvern star! :D Hoping someone would be able to identify year and model. Serial number is 43314.
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Other interesting thingI've seen.... Small triangle shapes on rims
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby jhea57 » Sat May 10, 2014 10:47 pm

On the TW I wanted to know if the serial number helped date the frame. Its obvious, as Warren mentioned, that its a MS rebadged.

On the black bike, I am confident that the stamping is original ie the "M" has not been put there at a later date. Based on the serial number stamping in this thread its was made in Melb in 56. The Williams cranks on it also are maked "AW" which dates it at 1956.
Maybe Warren can confirm if outside suppliers made frames for MS and if so did they use MS stamping...its never been mentioned before...it was more that MS made frames and sold them to other bike shops.

The thing about this frame is that the lugs (Haden) are the same (exactly) as 5 and 3 star MS frames made in the 50's...it has the same cut outs in the lugs
There are similar lugs in 50's Healing and Toselands but these lugs are the same as other MS's so its a good assumption, based on the serial number stamping and the lugs that it was originally a MS.
For example this 5 star frame currently on ebay is exactly the same frame...other than the stars of course... :)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331193126700?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_197wt_1238

Maybe Warren can shed some light and thoughts on the serial number...
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby bicyclepassion » Sun May 11, 2014 11:18 am

Black frame 56M 3529:
I'll preface these remarks with "AS FAR AS I KNOW"..........
Does not look like a malvern star stamping. M looks wrong, number on bottom of dropout unevenly stamped. But could have been stamped on a bad day by a crook apprentice using the wrong hammer, while the boss was up in the office chatting up the telephonist.
Yes, it does look like the 5 star on ebay, except for no stars. So do bikes with haden lugs from all the big framebuilders, (Insert your favorit brand here ..........) It also looks like all the other semi racers with haden lugs made in all the one man shops still operating around Australia in the 1950's.
If it was a Malvern Star, and the stars have been removed, there will be little dots of bronze or filler where the pins that held the stars in place during brazing once were. Holes were drilled, pins inserted, stars brazed, pins filed off.
This eveidence may be visible inside the head tube if you dont want to remove the black paint.
Outside suppliers made some race frames for riders who were sponsored by Malvern Star. Not the other way around. In Melbourne at least. Other things may have happened interstate.
The seat stay - rear dropout junction looks a bit rough for a Malvern Star factory frame.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby jhea57 » Mon May 12, 2014 11:41 am

thanks Warren
As its not the original paint I plan to strip it back and repaint it so I will see if I can unearth the mystery... :)
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby 5 star freak » Mon May 12, 2014 4:36 pm

If you take your time and wash the black paint off you may be lucky enough to find something to ID it. Good Luck.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tinker » Mon May 12, 2014 8:11 pm

Hi Warren,

After asking your advice on the other 1 Star I mentioned to a friend I was looking at one and lo and behold he had one buried deep in his shed so I snapped it up.

Hubs aren't orginal and the handlebars don't quite seem to match the bike. Other than that is all seems pretty original. Serial #6596

What year and style of bike is this 1 star version? Thanks in advance.

Jason

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby 5 star freak » Tue May 13, 2014 1:27 am

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121339888915 ... 1436.l2649
This 2 star Roadster on ebay looks to be the same era as the posting above. Very original and complete with accessories . Would it be late 30's early 40's?

The Sturmey Archer shifter on the crossbar would date it 1938 or earlier ?
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby jhea57 » Tue May 13, 2014 2:15 pm

If the cranks are Williams you should be able to date the cranks.
Look on the inside of the chainring and there should be some marking (usually Letters under a sword like symbol).
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/williamsdating.html
Nice find..
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tinker » Tue May 13, 2014 6:13 pm

It seems they are probably utility cranks/chainwheel and unfortunately those aren't dated.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby bicyclepassion » Tue May 13, 2014 8:41 pm

1 Star with number 6596.
The 'one star' models came out in 1939. This number does not make sense, but would be consistant with other bikes with similiar parts and features, if it had a prefix. 1M 6596, for instance.
Anyway, it is almost certainly 1939, 1940 or 1941 production. In my opnion, the paint is original.
It would be interesting to see if the number is repeated (and is the same) on the steerer tube of the fork.
Top bike, great find.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby bicyclepassion » Tue May 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Ladies loop frame with number 43314.
Is the number stamped vertically on the right hand rear fork end?
This one is 1960's. There are a few of these around, with loop frame. Made for South Australian market? They seem to crop up in that state.
This one has original 1960's paint and decals, 1960's parts, including those rims, and an old fashioned looking chain guard but a 1960's item none the less.
Malvern Star went to straight bar ladies frames in approx 1935/6. They advertised the departure from loop frame in the 1936 catalogue.
Then they start cropping up again in the 1960's but as far as I can make out, they were not made in the Melbourne factory, or if they were, they were not distributed in Victoria.
This is one of the Malvern Star mysteries. Albeit a minor one. Anyone know more about the 'later' loop frame models, and where they were made?
Loop frame lug and tubing sets were still around in the 1960's, and some other Australian makers persevered with loop frame production into the 1950's.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Jenny1977 » Tue May 13, 2014 10:05 pm

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue May 13, 2014 10:56 pm

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Jenny1977 » Tue May 13, 2014 11:14 pm

Nice, thanks for the info! Now to begin the restore......
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby timbosinoid » Wed May 14, 2014 7:49 am

timbosinoid wrote:Hi All, just after an approx. year on a 2 star I have purchased, and to add to the list/registry that Warren is compiling. bottom bracket has a 7 stamped on the underside on one edge and the right rear dropout has a vertical number 17478. it has a Renak coaster hub with the numbers 24 40, a twist grip with L N H on it, and a headlight that has a red badge that reads Hotsure (I think) left crank arm reads made in Japan, right was missing. original colours look to be purple around the bottom bracket and red/silver elsewhere. any info would be appreciated, most parts are in poor condition but I will get it back to a rideable condition of some sort. thanks, Tim



Anyone, anything?
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Wed May 14, 2014 8:12 am

timbosinoid wrote:Anyone, anything?

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tinker » Mon May 19, 2014 3:37 pm

Adding another serial # to the list.

6M17592, If I'm getting this right it's a 1946 Melbourne made 2 Star Roadster.

Some of the decals hae remained in very nice condition for its age.

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tfitzk » Sat May 31, 2014 10:35 am

I have a malvern star 2 star, which I got given to me by my grandfather, it serial number is 69637 located on the top of the seat tube, it also has a BSA A83 serial number under the b/b... Is has bolt on rear stays, wheels are quite a bit bigger than my 700c I use today?? Dunno if any of that helps, your first post said that any 5 number serial numbers where pre 1930, but my grandpa and dad don't think it's that old, but they do seem to also say there a bit dusty on the fine details... If you have any idea on the age that would be muchly appreciated

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby bicyclepassion » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:34 pm

#69637.
In the absence of photos, hard to be sure, but the numeric sequence would put this in 1936.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tfitzk » Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:44 am

Thanks warren for the promt response, I'm not real savvy with computers, I have a couple of photos of the frame, I can email them to you??

Regards Tim
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tfitzk » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:56 pm

bicyclepassion wrote:#69637.
In the absence of photos, hard to be sure, but the numeric sequence would put this in 1936.
Warren


Hi warren, thanks to Clydesdale scot I have uploaded a few photos I think?

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Hope this helps

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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby HappyHumber » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:34 pm

Photos - Yay! Nice one, Tim.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Tfitzk » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:39 am

Hi all, grandfather came through with the goods, the bike was purchased by my great grandfather pre-war in 1939 from a shop in Echuca, Victoria by the name of "Hazleman Bike Shop". He said it cost 3 pound.
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Max Brinkworth » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:56 pm

Hi i recently picked up a Malvern star 2 star with the id code of p604 . viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76040&p=1135237#p1135219 .any help with year model would be appreciated :)
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Re: Pre 1930 Malvern Star serial numbers

Postby Imwit » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:46 pm

G'day Warren.
Happy to have something to add. This thread is great. I always learn something from it.
Two star delivery bike. Frame number 51984 left hand side seat lug. Bought in Sydney. Had previously belonged to a film prop guy I think. Used in Baz Luhrman's Australia film apparently. No proof though. Nobody has ever seen that movie.
The plan is for the better half to use it to sell her baked goods at markets. Kinda what it was intended for?
Renak coaster hub be original? Opinion of welded chainstay?
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