Frank Paino Appreciation Society
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Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby grantw » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:03 am
For starters here's mine;
DSC_0002_01 by _granty, on Flickr
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby WyvernRH » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:53 am
Cheers
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby xerlex » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:22 pm
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby grantw » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:26 pm
Frank built bikes using columbus tubing and campagnolo dropouts and cable guides
Custom cast seat stays with Paino forged in the shoulders
Fork crowns with a forged heart on the shoulder and P inside. Intricate tangs inboard
Slotted BB with Campy cable guides on top
Thinned lugs (varies but they blend into the tubing like he wanted them to melt)
Some bikes have hand stamped serial numbers on drive side of BB
Many Paino's had Campagnolo GS groups and Cinelli/3T Stems and bars ( stems often pantographed with Paino in a variety of fonts)
Had a shop in Miranda on the Kingsway during the 1980s
Also sold Ultima branded bikes (frames sourced elsewhere perhaps as they lack the touches of the Paino branded bikes and had Japanese components)
Frank's bikes had the Rainbow colours as he built a bike for Gary Sutton (see Justin's classic thread via rotorburn or if you prefer cycle exif, so I'm guessing he made a track bike or two as well
That's all I know for now
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby WyvernRH » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:54 am
My wife's Paino, a small touring frame, Probably Tange 5 with investment cast long point lugs. I reckon this one is quite early as the decals on the downtube are 'wraparound' one piece and the 'Paino' text in the badge is pretty chunky block text with a plain spade symbol, no cyclist.
My light Blue Paino, Tange investmant cast lugs and bottom bracket withTange dropouts. As light as a feather so probably top notch Tange tubing? An example of Mr Paino's worst quality paint jobs. Grey downtube decals, Paino is now script in the headbadge witrh a white cyclist in the spade.
My Dark Blue Paino, Columbus oversize tubing with Ritchey dropouts. Beautifully finished frame with an excellent paint job. White downtube decals but gold cyclist in head badge with Paino in script. Maybe one of the last frames made?
Paino paint jobs seem to vary from the sublime to total crap. Although the light blue bike is built beautifully the paint job is an instruction sheet on how not to paint a bike. The later, dark blue bike is perfect. This variation and shades of quality between seem to apply to most Painos I have seen.
From what bikes I've seen the shop at Miranda was like most frame shops in that within reason they built what the customer asked for. Also they built frames, not bikes. Often they would sell and fit the bits too (and very nice bits) but often the customer would fit whatever components they wanted or could afford, more often than not Japanese as time wore on.The Campag everything with pantographing was top of the range, the stuff I've seen ranges from panto'ed everything clad in Super Record via some bits panto'ed, only staytops with cast in 'Paino' , Paino in the fork crown only etc etc... many variations, as many as there were customers maybe
Cheers
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby grantw » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:34 am
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby matt1986 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:51 am
Can anyone confirm that Ultima bikes were re-branded production bikes? I picked one up (for a friend) in original condition recently: Tange 2 tubing, Shimano 600 arabesque groupset, ambrosio wheels. A nice little machine. Even came with the original receipt from the Miranda Bicycle Centre, with what might well be Frank's signature at the bottom. $600 in 1985.grantw wrote: Had a shop in Miranda on the Kingsway during the 1980s
Also sold Ultima branded bikes (frames sourced elsewhere perhaps as they lack the touches of the Paino branded bikes and had Japanese components)
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:10 am
As near as I can tell, the "Ultima" branding isn't so much a product, rather a generic sticker set used by a few different frame builders (Abeni used them too). The Paino bikes (like my Elan) use an "Ultima" sticker set, sometimes with a modifed head tube sticker. Mine has a tiny "elan" stuck over the "Ultima" underneath the spade symbol for example.matt1986 wrote:Can anyone confirm that Ultima bikes were re-branded production bikes? I picked one up (for a friend) in original condition recently: Tange 2 tubing, Shimano 600 arabesque groupset, ambrosio wheels. A nice little machine. Even came with the original receipt from the Miranda Bicycle Centre, with what might well be Frank's signature at the bottom. $600 in 1985.grantw wrote: Had a shop in Miranda on the Kingsway during the 1980s
Also sold Ultima branded bikes (frames sourced elsewhere perhaps as they lack the touches of the Paino branded bikes and had Japanese components)
I'm not sure there is anything much in common with many of the bikes with Ultima stickers on them, other than at some point they went through a local frame shop. Mine (not, as far as I know, anything to do with Paino) hasn't got a serial number on it at all, which indicates to me it isn't a production bike in any conventional sense, but more likely a custom frame.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby matt1986 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:38 pm
Interesting, I'll have to take a closer look at the frame next time I see the bike, see if I can find any hints as to its origin.drubie wrote:As near as I can tell, the "Ultima" branding isn't so much a product, rather a generic sticker set used by a few different frame builders (Abeni used them too). The Paino bikes (like my Elan) use an "Ultima" sticker set, sometimes with a modifed head tube sticker. Mine has a tiny "elan" stuck over the "Ultima" underneath the spade symbol for example.matt1986 wrote:Can anyone confirm that Ultima bikes were re-branded production bikes? I picked one up (for a friend) in original condition recently: Tange 2 tubing, Shimano 600 arabesque groupset, ambrosio wheels. A nice little machine. Even came with the original receipt from the Miranda Bicycle Centre, with what might well be Frank's signature at the bottom. $600 in 1985.grantw wrote: Had a shop in Miranda on the Kingsway during the 1980s
Also sold Ultima branded bikes (frames sourced elsewhere perhaps as they lack the touches of the Paino branded bikes and had Japanese components)
I'm not sure there is anything much in common with many of the bikes with Ultima stickers on them, other than at some point they went through a local frame shop. Mine (not, as far as I know, anything to do with Paino) hasn't got a serial number on it at all, which indicates to me it isn't a production bike in any conventional sense, but more likely a custom frame.
Cheers,
Matt
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby grantw » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:48 pm
IP Australia has this record for Ultima
ULTIMA CYCLES with trademark number 594735 was lodged on 25/01/1993 and has a status of Lapsed/Not Protected. The applicant/owner of the trademark is registered as Frank Anthony Paino.
Which you can see here
He had also registered the Business name Chain Reaction in August 93.
On the Paino side of things There's an interview with Scott Taylor at sweat and gears
I had a custom built frame made by Frank Paino of Miranda in 1985. It had Columbus tubing fitted with Suntour Superb Pro and Mavic GP4 tubulars. My brother also had one made up to the same specks but with a Campagnolo 50th Anniversary ensemble. At around $2000 both were very expensive bikes for there time. Frank would build them at the back of his shop which took about a month.
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby drubie » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:28 pm
Well, that's interesting. I always figured my own (not Paino, but cycles ultima) bike was earlier than 1993. Fascinating nonetheless and an impressive bit of detective work.grantw wrote: ULTIMA CYCLES with trademark number 594735 was lodged on 25/01/1993 and has a status of Lapsed/Not Protected. The applicant/owner of the trademark is registered as Frank Anthony Paino.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:24 am
Gee that frame looks familiar.WyvernRH wrote:
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby jacob_T » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:23 pm
Would love to pick one up one day.
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby WyvernRH » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:39 pm
Yup that's the one...singlespeedscott wrote:Gee that frame looks familiar.
Cheers
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:55 pm
It come up alright.WyvernRH wrote:Yup that's the one...singlespeedscott wrote:Gee that frame looks familiar.
Cheers
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby rebilda » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:46 pm
Here's my beloved Paino. The pic was taken on a "Retro ride" last week, organised on this forum - Thanks to 'Saro28' for taking the pic.
It has some NOS Campag Super Record, correct for the vintage of the bike. I picked up the aero seat post and the headset on ebay also.
The frame was re-finished in Ford "Nitro" - XR6/8 light metallic Blue.
The Paino's stood out in the Shire, in my youth, as an 'object of desire'. I guess I always wanted one. When this one came in my direction, it was well used. It had a junky seatpost and saddle fitted, an old Tange headset and a very worn out Shimano 600 RD. The brakes, cranks and FD were Campy, so I decided to go with that as a theme for the bike.
When I stripped it, I was battling to find anyone with info, re/ replacement decals. In the end I had my brother help me with creating the artwork for the decals to be reproduced. Cyclomondo now have these decals on the website, for sale.
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby TJG » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:53 pm
I'm working on a restoration of a Paino at the moment. The frame is stripped and ready for painting and I noticed some distinct differences in the frame compared to others. Specifically the absence of the 'P detail in the fork crown and words 'Paino' at the top of the Seat stays which have both been brazed-in (filled in) to hide them. I thought someone may know why. Most other detail is identical with Campag' and Columbus tubes and cast parts throughout. Its frame number 56.
Cheers, Tony
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
Postby elfoam » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:12 am
As a kid I stripped down a locally sold bike I had. A Phillips/Philips? "Ultimate" , underthe paint were pantographed seat stays "ROSS". It was only body fill so I removed it. Found out recently.. 30 years later It was a Ross professional made in the states from Ishiwata. Even more confusing is that I've seen two other Phillips Ultimates recently and they are generic probably Japanese bikes painted EXACTLY like mine was but totally different bike. Point of the story is, I guess your was intended to be sold under another brand.TJG wrote:Hi all,
I'm working on a restoration of a Paino at the moment. The frame is stripped and ready for painting and I noticed some distinct differences in the frame compared to others. Specifically the absence of the 'P detail in the fork crown and words 'Paino' at the top of the Seat stays which have both been brazed-in (filled in) to hide them. I thought someone may know why. Most other detail is identical with Campag' and Columbus tubes and cast parts throughout. Its frame number 56.
Cheers, Tony
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Re: Frank Paino Appreciation Society
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