Are these parts considered retro?

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:33 pm

dayne wrote:+1 on the brown tape,
I think it looks great now I'd leave it as is.
Now just ride it

So I will leave the brown for now. Any more confusing vote?

Anyway, riding is not a problem. Frame is now almost 6 weeks with me, Strava says, I have already done 695.5 km on this beast. Not to mention I have some unrecorded rides too!

That is me there, hammering the 2013 Coffs Harbour Cycling Challenge, and almost DNF, lol

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Discodan » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:38 pm

rheicel wrote:It weigh 8.8 kg at the moment. There is really nothing I can do now to make it lighter unless I am willing to spend more on wheelset and light tyres.



I recently put on a pair of Conti GP400s tyres and Maxxis Ultralight tubes which saved 300g for less than $100, it's a pretty easy way of bringing down the numbers without sacrificing usability
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:47 pm

Discodan wrote:
rheicel wrote:It weigh 8.8 kg at the moment. There is really nothing I can do now to make it lighter unless I am willing to spend more on wheelset and light tyres.



I recently put on a pair of Conti GP400s tyres and Maxxis Ultralight tubes which saved 300g for less than $100, it's a pretty easy way of bringing down the numbers without sacrificing usability

I have the Deda RS Tyres that are 190 grams each on my scales. I can probably change the tubes as they weight more than the tyres, so probably another 100grams. I am targeting 8 kg, but I think the $ vs weight will be not economical to achieve that. I will just carry less bananas when riding :lol:
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:18 pm

Here she is on her 900th km journey!

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Dan » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:53 pm

this is the thread that keeps on going, er, giving....
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby jacob_T » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:10 pm

rheicel wrote:Here she is on her 900th km journey!

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Looking great, mate.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:22 pm

jacob_T wrote:Looking great, mate.

Thanks jacob_T.

More changes will come, but that will depend on my mood. I am planning to get a 7400 series dual pivot calipers and brake levers if I can.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:51 pm

Can't seem to find a place to put the bell!

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:47 am

Bike now with shiny DA hubs.

DT Shifters/Brake Levers/Calipers/Headset/BB/Seat Post are the non-DA parts. If you have some in your stash, you can sell them to me. Looks like I still have a long way to go to fully 7400's


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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:26 am

rheicel wrote:Bike now with shiny DA hubs.


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Nice wheels, but why the radial spoke lacing?
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:02 am

singlespeedscott wrote:Nice wheels, but why the radial spoke lacing?

Same question I have. Velo13 will take care of it. :smile:
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:21 am

rheicel wrote:
singlespeedscott wrote:Nice wheels, but why the radial spoke lacing?

Same question I have. Velo13 will take care of it. :smile:
So that's not what you asked for?
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:26 am

singlespeedscott wrote:So that's not what you asked for?

No, I got these wheels from eBay and Velo13 to fix it for me in a very near future. I might consider changing the rim as well. Are these mavic any good? The rims have this sticker on them MAVIC REFLEX SUP 622x13 6061.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Dan » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:10 am

They're shite. Send them up to me and I'll dispose of them.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:51 am

Dan wrote:They're shite. Send them up to me and I'll dispose of them.
+1 on the dibs. They are absolute rubbish :P
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:13 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:
Dan wrote:They're shite. Send them up to me and I'll dispose of them.
+1 on the dibs. They are absolute rubbish :P
Good to know they are rubbish. Easy to dispose on the next council clean up.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Velo13 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:28 pm

rheicel wrote:
singlespeedscott wrote:Nice wheels, but why the radial spoke lacing?

Same question I have. Velo13 will take care of it. :smile:


Being 20 years old it is interesting that these wheels have radial lacing. Back when they were new (around '93) radial was pretty uncommon, and considered "less stiff" and/or "less strong". Neither of this things are true at all.

Radial does work fine on the front (laced heads in it is actually stiffer than a conventional crossed pattern), and Non Drive Side (NDS), but due to the torsional loads that a rear hub needs to transfer to a rim, a crossed pattern is required on the Drive Side (DS) as a minimum. Radial is lighter (due to shorter spoke lengths - it's only marginal), but is not more aero.

Unless I am specifically looking to reach a weight target (which is a fair bit these days), I still build 2x front and 2x or 3x NDS/DS for most wheels, and I think that suits Rheicel's aesthetic sensibilities as well.

Personally, I don't mind the look at all.

The rims seems to have ingnited some interest. The Mavic Open series of rims really was considered the "rim of choice" for the 90s. I would ride no other rim up until about 6-7 years ago. They always look "just right" on a 90s resto, and match with just about any group.

The Aksium, Cosmos and Classics series of pre-built wheels from Mavic still/did use a derivative of the Open extrusion.

That said, both Ambrosio and Rigida produced similar profiled rims, using superior alloys that I think were stronger, and could withstand greater tension (so more reliable). There are considerably more innovative, stronger and stiffer retro options available (for the weight) from the likes of Hplusson and Pacenti these days.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:52 pm

Thanks Josh, looks like you are convincing me to keep it as it is. :D
I tried putting 20C tyres today. Tyre is now roundish compared to bulb-like when using 23C tyres. The bluish annodise rim is also growing on me :mrgreen:

I also polished the crank right arm. The scuffs are so deep though I managed to make it as shiny as possible. It is so hard that I am now having a second thought in polishing the right arm :cry:

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Velo13 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:48 pm

rheicel wrote:Thanks Josh, looks like you are convincing me to keep it as it is. :D
I tried putting 20C tyres today. Tyre is now roundish compared to bulb-like when using 23C tyres. The bluish annodise rim is also growing on me :mrgreen:


There is no need to rebuild those wheels if you are happy with the aesthetic, and the rims (assuming they have not been abused). if spokes start breaking, then they have reached the end of their fatigue cycle, but until then ...

BTW, who did you get them from? I just remembered that I built a pair of DA hubs onto those rims way back in the 90s (for myself). I can't quite remember the lacing pattern, but I did experiment a lot with lacing patterns back then (I used to think it might make me go faster). Are they DT spokes?
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:12 pm

Let see how they go. I might just use them until then...
I got from eBay seller who like building bikes too. He told me he got them from eBay as well and planning to complete a 7400 build but ended up completing tri-colour 600.
I think the wheels are in pretty good shape. They run true and spokes tensions looks OK to me. These wheels have seen very little use by looking at the brake surface. I have to peel all the Mavic stickers as they are half peeled already. The rear hub now runs smooth after experimenting on the cone lock nuts.
Yes, they are single butted DT spokes that looks thicker than the normal spokes, lol.
This is probably one of your creation in the past Josh! And they are all coming to me now...
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby munga » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:19 pm

don't peel the stickers off. re-glue them!
pitty43 wrote:Thanks all for your help. Better change my Gumtree add now.

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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby WyvernRH » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:28 pm

munga wrote:don't peel the stickers off. re-glue them!


Or get new ones from Cyclomondo?
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Velo13 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:11 pm

rheicel wrote:Yes, they are single butted DT spokes that looks thicker than the normal spokes, lol.
This is probably one of your creation in the past Josh! And they are all coming to me now...


Quite possibly. Sounds like they haven't been used much. Great score.
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby Dan » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:22 pm

Surely you would have had your rim decals reading driveside, Josh ;)
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Re: Are these parts considered retro?

Postby rheicel » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:26 pm

Dan wrote:Surely you would have had your rim decals reading driveside, Josh ;)

:lol: , I just noticed it now Dan.
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