Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

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Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:42 pm

I have always relied on finding second hand frames for my bikes but have struggled to find a touring frame that fits me and had the specifications I require. Obviously the only choice is to go to a frame builder to get what I want. Unfortunately most Aussie builders completely price themselves out of the game for me.

I don't want anything fancy. I know the dimensions I want. Built from standard sized lugged tubing. Strong not light. 650b wheels. Brazen-on long reach centre pulls. Double eyelets on the front and rear for guards and racks. A few other bits and pieces and a single colour paintjob.

Has anybody got any recommendations for someone that can do this, who doesn't think they are Darrel McCulloch and charge an arm and a leg?
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:04 pm

$600 starting price for a touring frame and fork sounds very appealing. Has anybody on here used Europa. I've had a few Abeni's but would like to know about their current builds.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:09 pm

What price are you thinking of spending on an Aussie custom ?
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:17 pm

As little as possible to get what I want. I want a bike I can ride. Not a show piece.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby LG » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:20 pm

Not sure what Tim actually charges for frame only, but for the style of bike you're looking for, you could try Tim Stredwick here in Tassie http://www.velosmith.com.au/
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Postby ldrcycles » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:13 pm

Have you had a chat to Paul of Syrup Bikes who was at the Strade Bianche? I have absolutely no idea what he charges for frames but he charged me a very reasonable price to straighten the Healing frame, and to do some forks off the Peugeot my brother rode last year. Would be worth a shot, the one he was riding looked lovely and his facebook page shows some really neat MTB frames too.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby Steve F » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:57 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:$600 starting price for a touring frame and fork sounds very appealing. Has anybody on here used Europa. I've had a few Abeni's but would like to know about their current builds.


I dont know anything about their current builds but will have a '81 Europa race bike in the garage next week some time as a mate who got it custom made for him is only just now getting rid of it (admittedley he's been riding a much newer bike for a while now) and knows I have a bit of a thing for older bikes/cars and motorbikes. So I can at least say they last well and it served him well as first a race bike and then a training bike for quite a while :)

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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:00 pm

I would say that Mal McPherson would be a good start,
There's also primate, Geoff Scott via Clarence cycles,
But I would dought that you will find anything cheaper than about $2k for a custom frame in aus as materials and labour costs are so high.
Do you have a funny body shape that needs custom?
Just thinking there's lots of good of the shelf 650b frames these days,
Also speak to the guys at comuter cycles in Melbourne as the deal a lot with this type of build and may know where to start.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby marc2131 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:54 pm

Jim and Peter Bundy from Peter Bundy Cycles. I think Peter charges about $1200 for a standard 531 tubed frame. Send him an email. Very easy person to talk to.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:46 pm

Dayne I do have long legs for my height, 178cm tall with a 88.7cm inseam, outside the norm, but not hugely oddball.

The problem is no off the peg frame has the features that I want.

I have owned and ridden enough bikes to have an idea about what I like. Modern bikes mostly use welded oversized tubing with oversized threadless steerers. The top tubes are sloping and they either use disc or cantilever brakes or the horrible combination of both.

I prefer a classic lugged frame with standard sized tubing, threaded steel forks with a nice rake without a huge amount of seat post sticking out.

But I don't want a show pony that I am to scared to ride. I want tubing that's not going to dent the first time I fall off because its too light weight. A simple single colour paint job that's going to last and still look classic in 20 years time.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:01 am

These are bloody cheap,
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/ ... -mkii.html

I think you could get something for around $2500 in oz and Darrels being around $4k and Joe being probably just under.
Kumo is probably $2500 ish
The velo orange is 650b with mounts and they are well priced.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:55 am

dayne wrote:These are bloody cheap,
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/ ... -mkii.html

The velo orange is 650b with mounts and they are well priced.

Except they are TIG welded and it uses semi horizontal dropouts. I definitely want vertical as the semi's are a pain with mud guards.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:35 am

Yeah that rules out all most all of the shelf frames like rawland, boulder cycles and the rest.
I'd try kumo he has done a few rando's but all 700c I think but could easily do a 650b,
I was talking to Mal McPherson the other day and he can also do custom frames still and is on the Gold Coast and makes a nice frame.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby coffeeandwine » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:54 am

You could have a look at Ewen Gellie, they look to be VERY nice bikes. I don't know much about them, only some reports elsewhere on the forum but it sounds like they would build you the sort of bike you are after.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby frailer5 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:07 am

I know Pista do custom steel frames. Got chatting to the guy there when visiting Melbourne recently. Seemed like their pricing was reasonable, in the discussion I had with him.
Would require a trip down for a fit-up. though. :|
The guy's given name slips my mind right now, but he's a passionate 'steelie'. In fact, the conversation with him removed the scales from mine eyes. :lol:
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:08 am

I forgot about them, I know a guy with a few of their bikes, bloody nice,
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby humanbeing » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:29 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:Dayne I do have long legs for my height, 178cm tall with a 88.7cm inseam, outside the norm, but not hugely oddball.

The problem is no off the peg frame has the features that I want.

I have owned and ridden enough bikes to have an idea about what I like. Modern bikes mostly use welded oversized tubing with oversized threadless steerers. The top tubes are sloping and they either use disc or cantilever brakes or the horrible combination of both.

I prefer a classic lugged frame with standard sized tubing, threaded steel forks with a nice rake without a huge amount of seat post sticking out.

But I don't want a show pony that I am to scared to ride. I want tubing that's not going to dent the first time I fall off because its too light weight. A simple single colour paint job that's going to last and still look classic in 20 years time.


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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:28 pm

Nice Bundy. It looks similar to my Geoff Scott with a similar build.

The more I look at this the more I think it's going to cost me more than I have at the moment. I will fire an email to Europa and see what they say about what I want.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby spirito » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:00 pm

Define reasonably priced :?:
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:43 pm

spirito wrote:Define reasonably priced :?:
$1000 or less. I'm not after art I'm after a tool.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:29 am

$1000 or less, no where in the western world.
A tube set alone is $300-$400,
a very cheap paint job is $350
This leaves a builder $250 to build it over 2 days at $15hr
May be you could try Colossi through gear shop,
Made in china but pretty good quality but still over $1000
Or go tig not lugged, or try the eBay game for a vintage 650b

The other option is do a 650b conversion of an old Raleigh or similar,
There's a fair bit of info on the net, basicly just adding canti studs to road bike with fender mounts.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby Dan » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:35 am

I made enquiries with Europa about 6 months ago - similar request spec wise. was about $800 from memory, but turnaround was in excess of 4 months for some reason.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby dayne » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:09 am

Here ?
http://www.europacycles.com.au/catalog/ ... 842584.htm

Can some one please explain how you can make a 100% Aussie built steel frame and paint it for $595?
Something just does not add up.
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Re: Reasonably priced Aussie frame builder?

Postby marc2131 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:14 am

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