Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby 10speedsemiracer » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:05 pm

Without trawling thru the entire thread, have the All City bikes come into the discussion at all, specifically the Space Horse :

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looks to be nicely made and works in both 700/650 formats. I must admit to lusting after one now as appears to be a nice merger of old/new....just wondering is all.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby baabaa » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:35 pm

Agree all-is-good with a good all-city bike....have a 2016 red and white 61 cm Macho Man Disc built up from a frame with shed bits, they are a well built frame for the price
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I am 191cm and would need to work hard to get over 80kgs. I "think" I have several fancy bikes bought because of the frame design and materials and really don’t care what the bikes looks like when I am riding, more so how well they rides. The all city MM is my heaviest/ most solid frameset.
See I still don’t quite get why try and retro fit a 126mm in the rear hub frame to try and even get 40mm into the rear end? It is a fine bike as it is so just enjoy it and even if you moved the studs you may also have to crimp in the inside of chainstays to prevent tyre rub and you may have all the chain line issues of getting a chain around a wider treaded shoulder tyre. If punctures are a huge issue try some lightish 700c cx tyres with a bit of tread, (I) have found for commuting even a bit more rubber between the road and tyre casing helps prevent them. A bit of sun or a good light and it is easy to dig the glass shards out with a sharp bullet nail. Had a really good run with all the mix of the ritchey cx tyres.

While I still like old bikes all this what-if fuss is kinda why I went a disc frame in 2007 with a salsa lacruz when a roadish type bike with discs was pretty rare. Now have four disc frames which in a simple and quick wheel swap from bike to bike I can go from 32 mm ( or less if I need) up to 50mm. Have so many different combos of cx, drop bar 29er, touring and "adventure" type bikes. Being light-ish and lanky on a good 60cm ETT frame I don’t need float so try and avoid riding more than 40mm on tar and even in good dirt as it is just extra work and never much fun so I have really have had no need to go 650b to date. I am really not sure why people think they can or would even want to ride very fast all the time on dirt roads and If things are dicey out in the dirt (or mud) I just slow down, BUT with discs I could just drop in a 650b wheelset and go. My old 26 inch touring bike and 700c ss canti cross bikes sit sad and lonely in the shed. Nil regrets in moving onto a modern bike format that use discs and BB7 offer more than power that I need while I don’t think I have ever had an issue with the stopping power of cantis with Scott-Mathauser pads. I just don’t miss the mucking about with all the what ifs of rim brakes in any way what so ever.
My latest bike is a XL ritchey ascent ( spp. breakaway) which runs a touring dyno wheelset with 1.9 inch 29er tyres. If you need a one can do it all bike these and even the VeloOrange disc type of designs do it really well and with the one frame and say a 700c or 29er with a 650B wheelset and you are more or less good to go with wide range of riding. I blame the old salsa fargos but the market now has plenty of nice bikes from quality brands at good prices so why not just forget about “the Jan Heine look” and take the leap get all the good options that come with discs? Oh and what you save in time and effort sell the house and kids and put some real $$ down and get a true 1950s french 650B beauty .

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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:55 pm

I commute 165-260km a week. I have a good idea of what I want and need based on experience and requirements. I simply have no need for discs on the road. Having done 100’s of 1000’s of metres of descending, wet and dry, I have never had an issue with caliper brakes. Caliper brakes work and are easily serviced and the pads last a lot longer in the wet. On my MTB discs brakes have a place for wet muddy events but the pads disappear in short order. I have used Avid BB’s and other Avid disc brakes and when it comes to discs I’ll take Shimano every time...on the single track.

On the road disc brakes still have a way to go, standards still have not settled. Also Shimano hydraulic brakes are limited to STI levers, something I don’t want or need for my commuter.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby Bendo » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:36 am

ChrisCrash wrote: But here's what gets me on these - I was quoted $2,700 for what I know is a $1,700 bike in the US. Of course with the current exchange rate, I guess that's not too bad, but still, $2700 for a basic cro moly frame with a steerer tube that looks like a beer can? No thanks.

It's called the Australia Tax and we've been paying it for years. Still, we have decent publicly-funded health care so I'm not complaining... ;)

But to be serious you're right that we pay too much. It's one of the reasons that I went from assembling everything second-hand, to a custom bike bought from overseas. I totally bypassed the mainstream market because I could tell it was nearly always hype driving prices and very little actual innovation or value-for-money. When I was at the Toei workshop, Yamada san asked me why I was buying a frameset from them. "Don't you have framebuilders in Australia?" I couldn't tell him that a custom bike from an Aussie builder with a fraction of Toei's experience would cost more than twice as much. b

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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby Bendo » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:39 am

singlespeedscott wrote:I commute 165-260km a week. I have a good idea of what I want and need based on experience and requirements. I simply have no need for discs on the road. Having done 100’s of 1000’s of metres of descending, wet and dry, I have never had an issue with caliper brakes. Caliper brakes work and are easily serviced and the pads last a lot longer in the wet. On my MTB discs brakes have a place for wet muddy events but the pads disappear in short order...


OK so the wheel-changeability thing with discs, yes. But then on the other hand this. ^^^^

I guess I'm a little allergic to marketing. And whatever the peloton is doing. :D

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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:39 pm

Well I’ve finally crawled into the 650b rabbit hole. My Pacenti 650b Brevet rims turned up today.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs

Postby Thoglette » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:39 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:Well I’ve finally crawled into the 650b rabbit hole.

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