Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby savvas » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:54 pm
Any Australian NFE owners out there care to indicate how they have found the bike? I'll probably get a Medium.
I'm also interested in recommendations re. 650B disk rims. I've built 650B wheels previously using Velocity asymmetric rims but have never built disk wheels and am quite out of touch with what's available. I suppose I could just use regular machined wall rims eh? Not really interested in tubeless etc (but then again, know nothing about them!)
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:44 am
If your building your own wheels I prefer Mavic but the rims from Stans and HED are nice.
I notice that the current NFE's are now built with a uni crown fork. Definitely not as nice as the old ones and doesn't match the build of the rear seat stay now
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Espresso_ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:51 pm
MTB rims are your friend.savvas wrote:I'm also interested in recommendations re. 650B disk rims. I've built 650B wheels previously using Velocity asymmetric rims but have never built disk wheels and am quite out of touch with what's available. I suppose I could just use regular machined wall rims eh? Not really interested in tubeless etc (but then again, know nothing about them!)
ta,
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I used Stans Flow EX for my Soma 650B build. They are very sturdy, reasonable weight, easy to find online, wider than most, which is great because you get a nice profile on your tyres - but many other 650B MTB rims would have similar characteristics. Many of the modern Compass tyres are tubeless-ready anyway as are the many MTB tyres which you might like to try at some point. I've seen plenty of NFE's running Schwalbe Thunder Burts, for example (I would consider that setup for offroad use if I had an NFE).
I set up tubeless from the start - very little reason not to, and they've saved me a puncture stop on my 'flimsy' Grand Bois Hetres more than once or twice.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Blakeylonger » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:30 pm
100% tubeless all the way. (you can still run tubes if you must, but why would you)savvas wrote:I'm also interested in recommendations re. 650B disk rims.
If it's a retirement present, get some Light Bicycle or Nextie carbon rims. Rims aren't a consumable anymore. If the budget doesn't extend to that get WTB Frequency rims, in i19/i23 depending on what tyre width you'll run, or DT Swiss XR331/XR361/XM401/XM421.
Old stans rims aren't a great idea at non MTB pressures, the Mk3 Arch might be not terrible, but it's i26 and hookless FWIW.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby adktz » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:19 pm
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:12 pm
https://global.bluelug.com/grand-bois-h ... black.html
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby wqlava1 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:33 pm
I know it really does depend on what frame width you have available to run wider 650B tyres, but there are other reasonably-priced tyres as well now. Schwalbe have their new G-One Speed, available in 60mm (with the nominal 60mm tyres coming in at 53 with 19mm internal width rims). They are the newer version of the Big One, reviewed at bicyclerollingresistance.com.singlespeedscott wrote:Just browsing the Japanese Bluelug web site and found the Grand Bois Hetre for a ridiculously cheap $51 each! Shipping is excey at $75 for 3 tyres. But it is still cheaper than getting them from the US. Not as nice as Compass but at that price well worth it.
https://global.bluelug.com/grand-bois-h ... black.html
http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com ... g-one-2016
Those tests are of course not directly comparable with the more real-world tests the BQ has done, but cover a wide enough range to let us mentally start to stitch together comparisons. It's interesting that the guy running that website won't test Compass tyres even when people offer to buy them and send them to him (from a conversation on his forum), and BQ doesn't seem to test much more. As I try to work out what tyres might be a good tradeoff for me, I watch for wider tyres that score well, and don't worry about narrower ones that might get a great score on the drum but be less practically comfortable and useful for me.
The 60mm tyres in non-tubeless or a similar 40mm Schwalbe tyre are both about $90/pair delivered from bike24, or the tubeless 60mm ones are a smidge less than those older Hetres.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:04 pm
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:40 pm
There's a number of threads on that.Blakeylonger wrote:100% tubeless all the way. (you can still run tubes if you must, but why would you)
Out of interest, how long have you run tubeless and how often do you get /did you get punctures (and from what).
It really is very pretty.singlespeedscott wrote:Really loving Jan's J. P. Weigle entry for the recent 2017 Concours de Machines. I just keeping going back to it for another look.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby adktz » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:43 pm
https://masibikes.com/collections/adven ... -650b-2018
Apart from the high gearing and unfortunate choice of unicrown fork. Trying to find an Australian price or any shops selling it and struggling.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Espresso_ » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:59 am
Just the one puncture on my tubeless GB Hetres, which self-sealed after a few seconds as advertised. Continued the rest of the ride without stopping, the only evidence was a little sealant spray on the chainstays. 4 years and one puncture isn't bad (though I'm not commuting on this bike daily or anything).Thoglette wrote:There's a number of threads on that.Blakeylonger wrote:100% tubeless all the way. (you can still run tubes if you must, but why would you)
Out of interest, how long have you run tubeless and how often do you get /did you get punctures (and from what).
Its not just the tubeless that helps, but also running much lower pressures than is common.
I punctured on Yarra Boulevard - so small tack, I guess?
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Espresso_ » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:00 am
Just the one puncture on my tubeless GB Hetres, which self-sealed after a few seconds as advertised. Continued the rest of the ride without stopping, the only evidence was a little sealant spray on the chainstays. 4 years and one puncture isn't bad (though I'm not commuting on this bike daily or anything).Thoglette wrote:There's a number of threads on that.Blakeylonger wrote:100% tubeless all the way. (you can still run tubes if you must, but why would you)
Out of interest, how long have you run tubeless and how often do you get /did you get punctures (and from what).
Its not just the tubeless that helps, but also running much lower pressures than is common.
I punctured on Yarra Boulevard - so small tack, I guess?
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:21 pm
Looks interesting. Would love to give one a spin. It’s concerning that there is no mounts for a front rack to mount a proper bar bagadktz wrote:Any thoughts on the Masi Speciale Randonneur 650B?
https://masibikes.com/collections/adven ... -650b-2018
Apart from the high gearing and unfortunate choice of unicrown fork. Trying to find an Australian price or any shops selling it and struggling.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby WestcoastPete » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:38 am
Replace with Endpoint Hunter/Gatherer fork?adktz wrote:Yeah I also just checked the front end/fork geometry ... 54mm of trail so not very low.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby wqlava1 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:15 pm
The Ti frame looks to have the same/similar chainstay yoke as the Ravn to allow an SBH-width tyre. There is also another picture there hidden behind a black and white graphic, showing a flattened tube approach, also in Ti. If you wanted a Ti 650B rando bike with wide tyre ability their experience means it is probably a pretty good way of getting this spec. It's much cheaper to buy a standard Ti frame from one of the direct Chinese factories, but how could you get them to allow for wide tyres and a road chainline successfully? At USD2300 it's out of my range, as I need to save a few more $ to build up the Ravn frame I just bought cheaply 2nd hand. I think a picture of my frame is the one ridden by a guy from acmebicycles in the green top in the (currently) 17th picture in the Rawland Instagram feed.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby wqlava1 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:14 am
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:14 pm
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby savvas » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:40 pm
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:31 am
Have you got yours yet, I thought you where number 6 on the waiting list?savvas wrote:Back to the NFE - I note that their waiting list is down to about 11. Does anyone know if they are still taking orders?
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby Thoglette » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:38 pm
Pretty.owly wrote:If I hadn't recently built up my bike I would have seriously looked at a Crust Lightning Bolt 2 frameset.
Still to be convinced about discs but at least its an attempt to build a light bike at a non JP Weigel price point.
I note they have a .au version of their website which is not quite the same as the US one.
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Re: Thoughts on modern mass produced 650B randonneurs
Postby owly » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:22 am
Noticed that also. Did some digging around and one/two? Crust guys came to Aust/east-coast sometime recently.Thoglette wrote:Pretty.owly wrote:If I hadn't recently built up my bike I would have seriously looked at a Crust Lightning Bolt 2 frameset.
Still to be convinced about discs but at least its an attempt to build a light bike at a non JP Weigel price point.
I note they have a .au version of their website which is not quite the same as the US one.
"Jambi-Jambi" has a LB Youtube vid.
Got to thinking maybe they left some framesets here in Aust with someone, but haven't sent them (US) an email to confirm.
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