Kenevans Road Bike

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Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:17 pm

Found this on Gumtree and picked it up last night as it was my size.

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Not sure what to do with it at this time. It's covered in the usual wear and tear signs, chipped all over the place and has had a generator clamped to the front fork which has caused it to be slightly dented. Contemplating doing it up for the Pushies Galore challenge, but would need to confirm it's actual age for it to qualify.

Frame - Kenevans 56cm Road Bike, Columbus Cromor Tubing, BCM Lugs, no name dropouts, built by Mal McPherson sometime between '87 and '91, painted a white pearl
Fork - Kenevans Columbus Cromor Tubing, no-name dropouts
Handlebars - Belleri 42cm
Stem - No-name
Headset - Campagnolo
Tape - No-name red foamy stuff
Saddle - Concor Supercorsa Confort
Seatpost - Campagnolo Aero
Front brake - Campagnolo
Rear brake - Campagnolo
Cranks - Campagnolo 170mm
Chainrings - Campagnolo 50 & 36
Chain - No-name
Pedals - Wellgo
Front derailleur - Suntour Cyclone
Rear derailleur - Campagnolo
Front shifter - Modolo Carbon Fiber Friction
Rear shifter - Modolo Carbon Fiber Friction
Cassette - Atom 77, 5 speed, 13-15-16-18-20.
Front hub – KK C-89
Rear hub - KK 88
Front rim – Alesa 116, 622 x 16, 700C
Rear rim – Velocity High Strength Allow 6106-T6
Spokes - Rusted
Nipples - Brass
Tyres – Michelin Dynamic 25 x 700c
Tubes - NFI
Total weight - 10.56kg as is.

Extra pics.

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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:13 pm

welcome,
and congratulations on a nice purchase; and extra points for being able to post a photo with just your second post, and links to well lit and sharp focused images of the components.
Munga has posted the Rules, no age qualification there
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:51 pm

Thanks for the extra points - long time forum user ;)

The age limit is in the rules are for the Pushies Galore Buildoff, not the Noosa Strade - though now I've seen those, it could be something worth getting to.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:37 pm

did you see this post?

can you date the components?
might be useful
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Some Campagnolo parts can be dated by codes or patent dates. For example, the Nuovo Record rear derailleur has a patent date that corresponds to its manufacturing date starting in 1970 (example "PAT. 70"); marked "PATENT" without a date before 1970. The lock nut on the hub axle typically is stamped with "CAM. 60" or some other number denoting the last two digits of the year of manufacture. The word "RECORD" was added to the hub barrels around 1963. The original "Open C" style Campagnolo logotype (imagine a U turned on its side) on the Q.R. levers was changed to a "closed C" in 1958 with the introduction of the one-piece alloy Record hubs and a little later to the shift levers. Starting in 1973 the crank arms have a code consisting of a diamond (1970's) or circle (1980's) with a number in the center denoting the last digit of the year of manufacture, and then in 1985-7 with square and number in the center: 11 = 1985, 22 = 1986, 33 = 1987 plus some other examples.


and VeloBase
eg the gear levers, and a word of warning there in the comments
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Clydesdale Scot wrote:did you see this post?


Yep, have checked out most of the Kenevans threads on here. No Campy dropouts unfortunately. I know its post '87 because of the Champion of the World 83/87 sticker and pre '91 as it was made by Mal and he left in '91.

Clydesdale Scot wrote:can you date the components?

Trying to, and your help is appreciated.

Clydesdale Scot wrote:might be useful
Campagnolo
Some Campagnolo parts can be dated by codes or patent dates. For example, the Nuovo Record rear derailleur has a patent date that corresponds to its manufacturing date starting in 1970 (example "PAT. 70"); marked "PATENT" without a date before 1970. The lock nut on the hub axle typically is stamped with "CAM. 60" or some other number denoting the last two digits of the year of manufacture. The word "RECORD" was added to the hub barrels around 1963. The original "Open C" style Campagnolo logotype (imagine a U turned on its side) on the Q.R. levers was changed to a "closed C" in 1958 with the introduction of the one-piece alloy Record hubs and a little later to the shift levers. Starting in 1973 the crank arms have a code consisting of a diamond (1970's) or circle (1980's) with a number in the center denoting the last digit of the year of manufacture, and then in 1985-7 with square and number in the center: 11 = 1985, 22 = 1986, 33 = 1987 plus some other examples.

Not many options in the way of markings on the Campy components. May need a strip and scrub to find tidbits of details.

Clydesdale Scot wrote:and VeloBase
eg the gear levers, and a word of warning there in the comments

Looks like I will be spending some time on Velobase.

If only Ken still had his books, I could have got the answer from him via the frame number.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:25 pm

Yep, have checked out most of the Kenevans threads on here.

even more points!!
You are a worthy owner of the bike!, and more likely to get help from others here.


square and number in the center: 11 = 1985

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there is a start.

for some of the Campagnolo components on my Gios Torino there is NO date code as the Patent on that component had expired. But that happened for a short while until it was replaced by the next model.

the Campagnolo catalogues are here
hopefully someone with real knowledge will drop by and provide some real assistance for you.

In the link I provided earlier, it was to Mal, so either PM him, to see if it goes to his email account, or try to track him down. I am assuming you live Brisbane way given your reference to the Pushies event. So Mal shouldn't be too far away.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:48 pm

And based on that info and a peruse of the Velobase database, the cranks have been identified.

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx? ... &AbsPos=39
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby munga » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:25 pm

Bingo. Triomphe. I would have posted earlier but I got caught up looking at all of your photos. If you're on Facebook, join my group. Plenty more helpful locals there too

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pitty43 wrote:Thanks all for your help. Better change my Gumtree add now.

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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:36 am

Sorry munga, I don't do Facebook. Hope there were enough photos for you ;) I can get more if needed. :)

Had a quick look on eBay, there's a Triomphe front derailleur and friction shifters available if I wanted to go for a full Campy groupset...
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:26 pm

Had a brain fart. Rear cluster is 6 speed, Atom 77, 6 speed, 13-15-16-17-18-20.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Changed all the cables and outers and took it out for a long ride today. Quite happy with how it went, and I don't feel overly fatigued, one of the nice things about a steel frame.

Have been scouring the net looking for some replacement parts to make a full Campagnolo Triomphe groupset. Missed out on some local period correct wheels by an hour or so on Gumtree. So went to eBay and have already received some wheels with 87 era Campagnolo Omega Strada Hardox rims. Have another set of wheels with Triomphe hubs to build onto the afore mentioned rims, some friction levers and a black Cinelli 1R stem on their way.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:39 am

The best part of those Triomphe cranks is that you scored the hard to find 36t inner chainring. Everyone lamented the size back in the 80's but today they allow you to actually climb some real hills. If you scrounge around even a 35tooth can be had.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:15 am

I can manage most hills around my area with the compact crankset, but wouldn't mind a rear cluster with a bit more teeth.

Had a squiz on eBay, but didn't want to delve too deep before getting my preferred wheelset of Triomphe hubs and Omega Strada rims together.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby HappyHumber » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:32 pm

geoff_tewierik wrote:If only Ken still had his books, I could have got the answer from him via the frame number.


Does yours have a frame number? Mine doesn't but I suspect it's more early 1980s.

[edit: Ah, sorry.. I found it]
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:20 pm

Glad you found it.

From what I've read/seen online I get the impression the earlier '80's frames had differences like pantographed seat stays. Does yours?
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby HappyHumber » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:35 pm

Yeah, panto'ed stays & fork crown. I feel lucky in that regard.

Has the cheap Aussie version of the period fashionable Italian "retinato"* paint job. White base with an area of red squares, an area of pale blue, pale yellow.. and pink pale squares. It reminds me a bit of Neopolitan ice cream.

The poor thing has been sitting in the box it arrived in since I bought it about 3 or 4 years back. I keep changing my mind which groupset I'm going to build it up with! A crime of laziness, I know!

I also have an "Evolution" Columbus EL framed bike. Apparently Ken built with his son Paul under that name.


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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:11 pm

Panto'd is nice.

There's two Evolutions on Gumtree at the moment. One of them is a nice looking bike in my size, the other has no photos, which is a pity as photos sell bikes.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby HappyHumber » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:35 pm

Some people are just clueless.

Most of the other Evolutions I've seen (online admittedly) have been O/S tubed Aluminium frames. I may stand corrected, but I think Evolutions are more from around the era steel was wafting out of favour amongst the roadies.... mid 90s maybe? Certainly mine came with what was left of a 600/Tricolour groupset (assuming it was original) I know mine has a an ally can fork I'd prefer to swap for CF. 1" examples are exxy though.

I seen have stickers on them something to the effect of (or similar to) "Made by Ken & Paul Evans" Alas my example doesn't though.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:59 am

During the week my eBay purchase of wheels turned up.

So I now have some Triomphe (126mm) hubs/Mavic GP4 rims

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and some Chorus (130mm screw on) hubs/Omega Strada Hardox rims.

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Not sure whether to use DT Champion, Comp or Revo spokes with brass nipples for the rebuild.

Would like to have a crack at building the wheels myself, so will also need to source a jig as well.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed May 07, 2014 1:45 pm

Have an opportunity tonight to watch a mate put together some wheels. Hoping to glean enough so I can tackle my own wheel build.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby find_bruce » Wed May 07, 2014 2:03 pm

geoff_tewierik wrote:Have an opportunity tonight to watch a mate put together some wheels. Hoping to glean enough so I can tackle my own wheel build.

Go for it - I find the simplicity, precision & repetition a very therapeutic activity. Strongly recommend Roger Musson's ebook. Not the only way to build a wheel, but easy to follow & almost foolproof.

Head on over to the wheel building thread if you like - IIRC the majority view is that DT Comp are the way to go unless you are a jockey
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed May 07, 2014 2:28 pm

Bought Rogers book a couple of years ago, it's sitting on my hard drive at the moment. :)
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby HappyHumber » Wed May 07, 2014 2:30 pm

geoff_tewierik wrote:Bought Rogers book a couple of years ago, it's sitting on my hard drive at the moment. :)


Send it to Office works to get bound and printed for less than $15 B+W. I tend get my reference tomes done this way ;) and I often tend to read things more impulsively in good old fashioned hard copy.
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Re: Kenevans Road Bike

Postby geoff_tewierik » Wed May 07, 2014 2:37 pm

Have done that in the past with my Blood Bowl rule books.

Be good if my Kindle would play nice with pdf's.
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