Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
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Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Sun May 18, 2014 9:57 pm
I am about to embark on restoring a R.L. Bates of Coburg, road bike, that is running Nouvo Record Campagnolo 1969/1970. Unfortunatly the paint and chrome are now heavily flaking, so there is no chance to maintain as is, if this bike is to remain usable. As the bike is 95% original condition i think it is best that i try and retain as much of the history as possible. I therefor would like to try and match the paintwork and the orginal bates signage as close as i can to how it was orginally sold.
Also slideshow
http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/flash739/slideshow/
So current restore plan is;
1) Abbotsford Cycles to help with strip down/rebuild, as shifters and headset are close to siezed and i dont trust myself not to crack the threads.
2) Gerz Chrome Polising to restore to lift the remaining chrome and rechrome - pending a look at the minor pitting, though i believe salvagable.
3) Campagnolo Decal - if anyone can find an original matching decal please let me know, have seached for hours online, note the orientation of the world to the lettering.
4) Rode Runner for the base repainting - 2 Pac???? any thoughts on this?? dont know much about paint. Suitable for this restore
5) Pin Striping - Bates Lettering and Original Bates logos... This is where i am stuck. The Bates lettering is 50% gone on both sides and i cant find a matching lettering on any other bates bike to assist with the artwork.
I have seen in a few other Bates posts that Kenn Dickie is likely the best person to speak to regarding bates bike, and all maters regarding expert paint jobs. I am hoping someone here may be able to assist me in getting in contact with him. I have seen on the following site about a Barb restore that kenn has many of the original templates;
http://www.finlaybrothershistory.info/page63.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I am hoping Kenn may still have the original bates lettering templates from his time working there that match with this bike. I can see in the following photo that one of these templates appears to be the R.L Bates of Coburg Logo template that would be highly useful also (See second from top right)
Ultimatly the intention for this bike is to be my pinnacle bike for xmas rides and easter club rides or other more social club rides of the like. It is not being done up to be sold so i am happy to do what is needed to get this bike to be my top ride. Does not seam to be enough people maintaining the old Aussie bikes.
Anyway if anyone has can help me with connecting to Kenn, it would be greatly appreciated.
And for the last bit. The black club logo and fork crown/stem inlaied clubs ....I originally throught this bike may be a Colnago, that had been imported by Bates. However closer inspection has found that the English bottom bracket does not support this hypothis. Also the use of the clubs appears to predate the use of the club logo by Colnago by a few years, based on the dates of the Nouvo Record Gear-Set and Reynolds 531 Decal i am sure this is 1969 or 1970 build.
Am wonding if any of the victorian cycle clubs were using a Black Club as thier club logo in the early 70s that could explain this logo choice? Possibly a club up near bendigo? as this is where i brought this bike from.
Or has anyone seen a Bates of Coburg Bike with a black club before??
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby PatrickB » Mon May 19, 2014 10:01 pm
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Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon May 19, 2014 10:12 pm
I'll be watching this with interest.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Imwit » Mon May 19, 2014 10:48 pm
http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewt ... s&start=25flash739 wrote: Anyway if anyone has can help me with connecting to Kenn, it would be greatly appreciated.
The last post in the thread has an email contact for Kenns son, Glenn.
I've tried it with no response but I was only looking for info.
Good luck. Let us know how you go.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Mon May 19, 2014 11:08 pm
Tried emailing a few weeks ago also, but also no response, so not sure if still an active email. Hoping someone in the Melbourne vintage scene will be able to help.Imwit wrote:
http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewt ... s&start=25
The last post in the thread has an email contact for Kenns son, Glenn.
I've tried it with no response but I was only looking for info.
Good luck. Let us know how you go.
Good news for the night, have found my Campagnolo Decal, is a NOS unused, however 75USD so will have think overnight on it and try a bit more looking now I have a few more search words to find it. Budget on this is already hurting a lot. But feel its original or not at all.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby norton75 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:15 pm
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Tinker » Thu May 22, 2014 7:29 pm
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Thu May 22, 2014 9:15 pm
Tinker, you are awesome. Bates frame with matching lugs to my bike (excluding forks) first I have seen like that. Key point of difference on your frame and mine is the seat stay, where you have a the red/black highlight. I looked at two Bates frames last night in Fitzroy where both seat stays were flattened as they run into the seat. So now have to ask....Tinker wrote:Here's a few pics of my mates Bates bike which I believe Ken Dickie did back in the day when this ride was new. Hope that helps a bit.
Any chance you can flip that over and have a look for some serial numbers on the bottom bracket... I have R followed by two numbers that are either 50,60,58,68 . Last night the bike I saw, a Bates frame with "J Forbes" rider name that had R221. The other frame was on display but I will see if I can get it flipped over on Saturday when I head back.
Any chance you know a date on when that frame was made??
Also, cinelli Stem?? any chance you have a photo front on of the stem & bars. Im wondering if you have Mod Champione Del Mondo on the right cinelli logo?
Sorry for the questions, pretty happy to now have all parts of my bike confirmed as bates. Master6 confirmed my forks today, he has the same crowns type as my bike, and has owned since 65. Only outlier is why do I have inlaid black clubs/different paint scheme to everyone else.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Tinker » Thu May 22, 2014 9:29 pm
If you PM me your email addy I'll send you through all the images I have of the bike.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby tedsbikes » Fri May 23, 2014 3:32 pm
I have contacted Kenn Dickie and he says he would like to look at the bike first.
Please PM me so I can pass on his contact details.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue May 27, 2014 8:25 am
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Wed May 28, 2014 11:22 am
Clydesdale Scott, thanks for the post. Appreciated.
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:10 pm
Exciting information is that the bikes exact serial number has come to light during the chroming process. This frame is R39, and there was a matching serial stamp concealed on the fork inside the head tube.
Anyway pictures coming shortly,
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:25 am
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kXXNv0 ... sp=sharing
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Imwit » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:32 pm
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby MichaelB » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:56 am
Understatement - looks brilliantImwit wrote:Looks pretty sensational. Who did you end up getting to do the line work?
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby nemo57 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:25 pm
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:54 pm
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby Imwit » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:29 pm
And if you have the time, would love to hear some stories of the bike and restoration etc.singlespeedscott wrote:Looks sensational. +1 on more piccies
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Re: Bates of Coburg - Nouvo Record 1969/1970 Help needed
Postby flash739 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:21 pm
After two hours I can finally post images properly again more to come.
To answer a question from above, yes that is Ken Dickies amazing paintwork. It was likely this was the second time Ken had painted this bike, after found he had the original stencils for when he worked at Bates. More to come... just trying to recover the restoration photos, ill feed them in from the start to where I am at now.
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