Manx - Special TT

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Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:40 pm

The next project has started (before the last has finished)

Ever since I did the New Look, I liked the style.
Skidstars are out there, but I like the more obscure.

Enter the Manx.
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It was recently for sale at Scammells Auctions, then appeared on local Gumtree.

Mine will not be a period correct restoration.
I think the design is more the 1930s streamlined style, and lends itself to some customising.
So if you don't like that then read no further.

On the off chance there is anyone left in the room, my current thoughts are to get inspiration from old Norton motorcyles
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using parts in the parts bin.
So black with silver trim
Major Taylor stem with flipped black celluloid covered North Road bars
big old light up front and old rear light both converted to run on LEDs
Shimano Nexus 8 speed hub.

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One day it may also get some electric motor assist. I need to do a lot more work on that.

The frame seems straight and sound, with only some surface rust to deal with. The tubes are very strong, so I have no concerns there.
The bottom bracket is having some Penetrene applied to make its removal a little easier.

I am open to suggestions on this project.

Now to find a fork.
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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby old steel Bikes » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:43 pm

The old Norton's are great motor bikes so from the photo of the Norton. You are going to paint it silver with black decal and everything else will be chrome???

Look forward to the build and see what you come up with to meet your objective.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:36 pm

probably more black, with some silver.
I have two stainless steel bidons.
They might look good with one on the down tube and the other on the seat tube.

I am thinking about getting some fittings to braze on. Cable guides etc, so bidon mounts are likely.

When I picked up the frame, I showed it to Peter Giessauf at International Cycles.
I asked Peter if he knew anything about Manx bikes. We were chatting in the work room, he smiled and said the frame would have been bought into the room in which were were, stickered up, components added and then out to the showroom. The business operated as Manx Cycles before Peter's dad moved his business there.
Manx because the owner came from the Isle of Man.
Next time I will take some notes of Peter's recollections.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby QuangVuong » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:57 pm

I have plenty of old braze on fittings and some crowns and fork blades from that era. Just let me know what you want, and I'll see what I do have.
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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby GaryF » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:02 pm

Such a great, fun project. It will be nice to follow your progress with this bike. The frame is amazing.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Roisin79 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:35 pm

Given your usual attention to detail Clydesdale, I would have thought you would post an actual picture of a Manx Norton.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:58 pm

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but the Norton Manx didn't exist until 1947, it had lost the streamline moderne styling of earlier Nortons.
When I was a kid, you bought old Nortons, BSA etc for $20 and used them as 'paddock bashers'
There was a great little track very near to where GrantW lives.
We had a great time as kids.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:43 pm

The frame has some issues and will need a new seat tube.
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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby old steel Bikes » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:48 pm

I think we had something thing like that but not as flash. It was called a card and it was attached with a peg on my bike. Was not to expensive but would have much the same noise.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:34 pm

woo woo
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anyone else get a flashback?
OK, my brain works differently to most.

Ooh, that some day he'd be a star
(A superstar, but he didn't get far)
But he sure found out the hard way
That dreams don't always come true, oh no, uh uh
(Dreams don't always come true, uh uh, no, uh uh)


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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:57 pm

Been doing some searching for inspiration for this project
mainly at The CABE

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I rather like the stylised Elgin fork. I think it suits the frame shape. The dropouts are in the same position as a regular fork, and are cut from a steel plate slotted into the fork end.

Up to me to try to gently bend the blades before they get brazed into the crown.
I have 'borrowed' the script from the Norton Manx. I find it curious that the Manx name is stylised into a cat with a long tail; but the Manx cat is known for its stub tail. So rather fanciful and as such, it is entirely consistent with this project!

The image above is a composite of a number of layers in Photoshop. This allows me to add decoration, change colours, swap over forks etc without destroying other elements of the image.
I will come back to this over the next few months, fiddling and meddling until I am ready to make it happen. It needs some fine lines to accentuate the frame design.

I am thinking of making the headbadge by electro-etching brass and then painting the detail. A good opportunity to acquire a new skill.
The old lights will probably be refitted with LED globes but I would like to have them flash for daytime running. There is a controller from China which I will need to import. The front light will be attached to the Major Taylor stem with its own headlamp clip. The rear light may have a custom fitting in the Rene Herse style.
The Shimano Nexus hub with will require a spreading of the rear stays. I will ask if I need to get new bridges brazed in to accommodate the new width.
Some cable guides to keep it tidy.
Comments and suggestions are always welcomed.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby QuantumMechanic » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:56 pm

So Hillson was just another sticker applied to this frame? Mine is the same blue colour as the one pictured but I assumed someone spray painted it because there are no stickers and there's evidence of yellow underneath. Do we know a timeframe for these bikes?

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:11 am

I think it is safe to assume that they were all produced in some as yet unidentified workshop and then stickered up.
I would think they were around the same period as the Skidstars, but that needs to be checked.

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Re: Manx - Special TT

Postby QuantumMechanic » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:29 pm

I think it may pre-date the Skidstar. Original examples have guards of the style common in earlier years and I can't find advertisements for new ones after 1954. The cantilever frame has been made since the late 30's which makes me think it's a good candidate for making a version of the Schwinn Autocycle.

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