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Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:30 am
by speedster356
Hi all, I have these wheels but I'm not sure the tyre spec for them. The outside of the bead dia is approx 640mm (bit hard to measure with the wheels built) Rim width is 30mm. A 27 x 1/4 fits but pops off the bead under a bit of pressure, a 700 tubular fits nicely but of course the width is too narrow. I don't even know if this is a tubular or a clincher rim, the other style of woods I have are clinchers with a 28 x 1 3/8 tyres. Any ideas?
ImageIMG_20170929_125945[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr
ImageIMG_20170929_130033[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr
ImageIMG_20170929_130006[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:42 am
by Arbuckle23
You need to use another host for your photos. Photobucket wants you to pay.
I have moved to Flickr :)

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:28 am
by speedster356
Cheers.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:53 am
by WyvernRH
You can get bigger sizes in tubulars that are used in cyclocross and (in the past at least) for racing across rough pave. Cyclocross tubs used to available upto 700x35c. Also, folk used to race 'The Hell of the North' on 28c and above tubulars.
Check the internet, I doubt you'll find any in Australia.

Richard

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:02 pm
by speedster356
Thanks, have gone that way now, decided on a Challenge Strada Bianca Pro Tubular 30mm. https://www.bikebug.com/challenge-strada-bianca-pro-tubular-tyre-p-67907.html

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:33 pm
by bicyclepassion
They look like clincher rims to me. Wood tubular rims don't have a well.
If 27" pops off, the next size down is 700c clincher.
I have never seen a 27 X 1 1/4 wood clincher rim, but have seen them or built them in 24 X 1 3/8, (wheelchair), 26x 1 3/8, 28 X 1 3/8, 28x 1 3/4 (same as 700c). Could you try a 700 X 35 clincher tyre on them?

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:45 pm
by rkelsen
bicyclepassion wrote:They look like clincher rims to me.

I'm no expert on wooden rims... But that rim looks far too shallow for a clincher. The glue on it also suggests that it's had a tubular on it at some point.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:52 pm
by Torana68
looks like an older clincher rim but not one you can put a lot of pressure into

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:22 pm
by trailgumby
Wow... wooden clinchers! :shock: I'd never have thought they were a thing until I saw that photo. :oops:

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:13 am
by speedster356
Thanks for all the help. 700 x 35 clincher won't go as it's too tight to get the second bead over. It should though shouldn't it if one bead goes over?

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:25 am
by speedster356
The 700 x 30 tubulars fit great.
ImageIMG_20170930_101447[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr

Just need the frames back from the painters now.
ImageIMG_20170930_101414[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:28 am
by singlespeedscott
And looks the goods too. Very nice

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:10 am
by speedster356
Got a couple of frames back from the painters, how cool is this Jarques Anquetil decal.
ImageIMG_20171014_125733[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr
But now waiting on the platers.
ImageIMG_20171014_130647[1] by peter mcleod, on Flickr

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:03 pm
by speedster356

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:06 pm
by Kronos
Not sure about those rims, I haven't seen wooden clinchers that look like that... but the tyres look to be 650Bs at first glance.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:11 am
by P!N20
Speedster - looks magic. That stem and handlebar has made my day.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:07 pm
by uart
Kronos wrote:Not sure about those rims, I haven't seen wooden clinchers that look like that... but the tyres look to be 650Bs at first glance.
Not likely seeing as he has already successfully fitted 700c tyres, which are nearly a 40mm larger iso size.

P!N20 wrote:Speedster - looks magic. That stem and handlebar has made my day.

Agreed, they both look absolutely fantastic! :)

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:02 am
by Kronos
poor attitude considering I hadn't read through this thread by the time I responded.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:56 am
by find_bruce
Here's a hint Kronos, reading the thread BEFORE responding will be of benefit

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:52 pm
by WyvernRH
It all looks supurb - very nicely done, a top job!
Excellent chrome too - where did you get it done?

Richard

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:08 pm
by Derny Driver
Wow, just wow.
Soooo perfect.
Well done mate, amazing job.
I also want to know who did the chrome ....

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:59 pm
by uart
It's fascinating to see those old wooden rims still in such good condition. I've had very little experience with them and know very little about them, so just wondering a few things.

Does anyone know up until roughly what year or decade they were still made?

Were they contemporary with steel rims but just a lighter alternative?

What were they like to ride. Like how was their strength and durability?

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:22 pm
by baabaa
Ummm that all depends on the type of wood used, but they are still being made, with disc brakes you can now get 29er rims if you are really keen. After a really wet and muddy ride just need to...
Maintaining the precious wooden rims is very easy. GHISALLO uses special coatings from boat building for the painting. I maintain the wooden rims with “Homemade Furniture Polish”! This is olive oil with a splash of white wine vinegar. Have a look at the small glass in the Picture. It must be applied with a soft cloth. After an hour I wipe off the rest and the wooden rims are ready for the next race.
>By the way, I care for bamboo rims with turpentine.


https://www.cerchioghisallo.com/en/prod ... -tubolari/

All the products have specs on rider weights and a bit of Technical Data and Frequently Asked Questions

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:56 pm
by uart
baabaa wrote:https://www.cerchioghisallo.com/en/prod ... -tubolari/
All the products have specs on rider weights and a bit of Technical Data and Frequently Asked Questions


Wow, thanks baabaa. :)

I thought that they were just a relic now, I had no idea that they were still being made.

Re: Identify this rim and the tyre spec

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:02 pm
by baabaa
Well big $$ can be made in the resto and L'Eroica world.
I had a very close look at some 1950s track wheels with timber tub rims in the LBS a few years back when I was building up my ss 29er so that is how I knew about this lot. I did think long and hard about giving a set a run but the price for the phil hubs used blew out my budget. The wheels had been hanging in the shop wall for as long as I could recall and still had the odd spoke reset to keep them round but they were past the days of being able to ride them as they went brittle on the edges. Could have been because of the old glue they did use back in the day must have been quite harsh and dried out the wood? The new types of glues or the clincher rims they sell should have a pretty long life if you looked after them.