1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
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1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:40 am
Anyway something remarkable has come up. It's a made to order 2 Swan Swansea frameset that was built specifically to compete in track events at Lake Monger. I have acquired it from the original owner, John, who had it in mind to donate to a museum. The museum would have conserved the frame and shown it periodically. I've undertaken to rebuild it as a bike, show it as part of the WAHCC display events and loan it to the museum for their events.
Lake Monger was opened in '59 and John had this built in '60. He says it has a higher bottom bracket than was normal to counter the problem of pedal strike presented by some of the steep surface at Lake Monger at lower speeds.
Like most West Aussie frames this one is unremarkable in it's construction, however the forks have an Ekla twin plate crown, which is a bit unusual. The frame retains it's original finish; painted Swansea name on the downtube, decal on the seat tube, lined lugs and rider's name on the top tube. Most special is the underlying finish which isn't paint but copper plate. I think. There is a tiny bit of green, verdigris I guess, around the seat post lug. Otherwise it's shiny and coppery on the left side. It's less coppery on the right which is the side that was up against the inside of the metal garden shed for at least a couple of decades.
There's a bit of surface rust that disrupts the copper plate here and there. It would be great to make this go away, or to at least stabilise it. Finding a method of doing that without disturbing the copper could be a challenge, I suspect the usual acidic treatments will not be suitable.
John gave the following component list to the custodian of another of his track frames (an earlier one);
Campagnolo chain wheels, cranks, hubs, pedals
Brooks saddle
Tyres Pirelli, Gardiol, Huchinson (singles) Mitchell (Made in NSW)
Cinelli handle bars head stems
Weinmann Rims
Regina Chain
Clipsal Toe clips
The funny thing is that the frame has a TDC BB and LHS fluted Chater Lea cottered crank. The Chater Lea crank is obviously at odds with John's recollection of components. Does 1960 seem a bit late to be fitting CL parts? Velobase, Classic Lightweights, Wikipedia and even the new Chater Lea site are all very vague about when they ceased making bike parts.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:37 am
Chater Lea:
still being sold in the period
Aids1961p29 by philip.knight, on Flickr
Holdsworth Aids, 1961,p29 from the V-CC library
I would have thought copper plate would have acquired more of a patina than is showing in the photos.
Is it possible it is a paint? A check of the forks may assist.
Mercian colours has 13 Golden Bronze Polychromatic or 63 Orange Pearl (Flamboyant)
Flamboyant needs a silver base coat (or chrome), polychromatic has a very fine flake. I'd remove the forks and check for polychromatic paint.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby twowheels » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:07 am
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby WyvernRH » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:34 pm
I don't know about Oz but NOS Chater parts were available in old bikes shops in the UK long after that. I bought a new boxed Chater single chainset with attached 48t ring from a bike shop in Morden Surrey sometime in the late 70's. The proprietor was pleased to see it gone.RobertFrith wrote: The funny thing is that the frame has a TDC BB and LHS fluted Chater Lea cottered crank. The Chater Lea crank is obviously at odds with John's recollection of components. Does 1960 seem a bit late to be fitting CL parts? Velobase, Classic Lightweights, Wikipedia and even the new Chater Lea site are all very vague about when they ceased making bike parts.
I knew quite a few older time trial and track men back then kept their old high quality steel chainsets and had them fitted to new frames they had purchased, not trusting this new-fangled alloy stuff Also folk just didn't have the cash to throw about.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:59 am
WA built bikes I've seen from that period have always been fitted with English, Japanese or Eastern Bloc parts; Williams, Brampton, TDC, Sturmey, Brooks, Renolds with some ALPS bars and Renak coaster hubs thrown in for good measure. There were shops that had Campag gear but I've yet to see a Swansea so equipped. One club member has a Zeus equipped Swansea roadie from the period, but it's one of only two Swansea roadies I've ever laid eyes on.
Anyway I've pulled the fork out and photographed it. I'm not wedded to the idea of it being copper plated by any means but it's the least paint like finish I've seen. Have a squizz and let me know what you think. I'll try to catch up with the local paint expert, Cameron Smith, over the next couple of weeks and see what he thinks.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:21 am
Copper also seems to be an unusual finish to select as it is not going to be as serviceable as nickel or chrome.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby twowheels » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:20 am
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:43 pm
I've been through copies made of John's photos from his racing days. They show bikes from 1947 to 1961, most at the start or finish of races. Unfortunately there is enough motion blur and loss of resolution due to the distance he was from the camera to make the task of identifying components he was using difficult.
I have however ruled out Cinelli headstems. It looks as if he mostly had ATP stems. This is a great relief as the going rate for a Cinelli stem/bar combo seems to be in excess of $600 these days
The front hubs in several photos are definitely Airlite not Campag (the larger bearing housing gives them away). The rear hub in one image is an early riveted Airlite. This is also good news as I have a very nice pair of Airlite hubs, with a double fixed rear.
The "Clipsal" toe clips mentioned in the parts list must be Christophe, I'm guessing that this a error made whilst having the list dictated over the phone.
As I mentioned in the original post there is another frame. Along with the frame John gave the new owner a few parts including one complete Chater Lea crankset and one right hand CL crank and ring. There is also a Magistroni road crankset, again no Campag in sight. Anyway that ties in nicely with the Chater Lea left crank already hanging off the frame and saves me the misery of having to having to introduce a c.1960 Campag pista crankset to the household.
The other frame doesn't appear in any of the photos. According to John it was a Bobby Jones that he brought back from Sydney when he moved back to Perth in the 50's. There's another Bobby Jones in his photos, so either he had two or he's remembering this one for something that it isn't. He rode for Swansea and it was repainted by them. Perhaps someone here recognises the lugwork?
Here you go..twowheels wrote:Nice. Would have been quite a sight when polished under the lights at the velodrome.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:20 am
• Chater Lea chain wheels, cranks, pedals
• Airlite hubs
• Weinmann or Fiamme Rims with Hutchinson singles
• Brooks saddle
• ATP head stem
• Regina Chain
• 26.4mm seat post (Reynolds, Accles or Pollock…)
The items that we've been unable to identify and John can't remember are toeclips and bars. There are two pairs of toeclips in the gear that he gave Mal so hopefully they are period and that problem is solved.
Between Mal and I we're chasing the following bits;
2 x Brooks B17 Champion Narrow saddles
1 x ATP stem with reasonable chrome
1 x pair Chater Lea track pedals
Set of Airlite track hubs 32/40
26.4mm seatpost
And bars... what were serious track riders using in the '60's?
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby crazyczecho » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:57 pm
Cheers,
Simon Trnovsky.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:49 pm
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:48 am
• The headset and bottom bracket have been removed and degunked. There's a fair amount of surface rust but the bearing surfaces are good.
• I used Ranex to stabilise the surface rust on the frame. Ranex also de-tarnishes copper. It's now apparent that the copper plate had a clear coat over; where that has been chipped the copper is suddenly bright. Another weird effect is that it looks as though it has melted and run. My guess is that rust has conformed to condensation patterns.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:14 am
I finally got around to building the wheels for this bike over the Christmas / New Year break.
Despite having accumulated an inordinate amount of tubular rims I don't have a matching pair of Fiammes from the right period. What I did have was a pair of Mavics, one with a period correct sticker, one a bit later. The rims have identical profiles and, unlike the Fiammes, no stampings. I have backdated the newer rim with an appropriate decal from Cyclomondo.
The toeclips that John had given Mal were Christophe, no surprises there I suppose. I had a pair with patina that matches the frame and have added them to the Chater Lea pedals (which I'd forgotten I had).
An ATP stem with very worn plating and bars of unknown origin adorn the front end. The bar tape is 100 ASTM Friction Tape, a relatively low tack rubberised cotton tape.
Other parts include a well used (but serviceable) Brooks B17, NOS Renolds chain and new tubs from Yellow Jersey. If anyone has some used older tubs suitable for display I'd be very happy to have them.
The bike is neither a restoration nor conservation, rather a renovation. The frame, headset, BB and crankset were all that remained of the original bike. Conservation would have simply stabilised corrosion of these parts. Restoration to it's original form at the extreme would involve stripping, replating and repainting the frame and fitting with as new parts.
On one hand erasing the frame's use and history is unacceptable to me, but equally conserving a frameset holds no appeal. To honour the builder and rider I think it's important to show a whole bike.
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby hiflange » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:32 pm
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Re: 1960 Swansea 2 Swan Track Bike
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:26 pm
how about recording the talk and posting it for us to watch (and learn)?
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