1966 - what would be a good project ....
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1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Wed May 16, 2018 3:45 pm
About the only thing I'd care about is that it needs to be from 1966 (within reason). It doesn't have to be period correct, top shelf or from a particular brand or country.
I'd like it to be a nice bike (or be able to be built to one), and happy for it to remain in 'original condition' (i.e. rough original patina that is kept, but cleaned up) rather than make it a showroom piece.
It'd need to have a TT that's about 56-57cm to suit 6' tall (184cm for them modern peeps).
Any suggestions, options or advice ?
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Wed May 16, 2018 6:47 pm
Does this need to be fiscally responsible, or is there a 'luxury purchase' mindset at play ?MichaelB wrote:I've always been hankering for a nice roadie that's as old as I am, but never seriously looked.
About the only thing I'd care about is that it needs to be from 1966 (within reason). It doesn't have to be period correct, top shelf or from a particular brand or country.
I'd like it to be a nice bike (or be able to be built to one), and happy for it to remain in 'original condition' (i.e. rough original patina that is kept, but cleaned up) rather than make it a showroom piece.
It'd need to have a TT that's about 56-57cm to suit 6' tall (184cm for them modern peeps).
Any suggestions, options or advice ?
Cheers
Michael B
I'm thinking something like a '66 Raleigh Superb (Sturmey-Arhcer hub) or maybe a Claud Butler road bike (mostly Campagnolo Gran Record). My reasoning being that it needs to be prevalent enough for you to find one and be able to date it, but nice enough that it's worth spending time and $s on...
Maybe a '66 Malvern Star roadster/semi-racer style bike (2 star?).
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Thu May 17, 2018 7:01 am
Not many on Speedbicycles for that year.
And bikes from that period don't seem to come up for sale. Another rider (born 1963) was interested in doing the same, but nothing appears.
Whether they are still in the garages waiting to be rediscovered, time will tell.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Thu May 17, 2018 8:27 am
(AT) Clydesdale Scot - some nice looking bikes there, but given the effort put into the site, beyond my price range !!!!
There was a semi-collector that lived nearby (Rolf something ?) that had one that I liked, but it wasn't for sale at the time - a Poghliagi (spelling ?) - anyway, if someone has something that may suit, let me know.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby P!N20 » Thu May 17, 2018 12:15 pm
Toni Redl: https://www.steel-vintage.com/toni-redl ... 969-detail
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Thu May 17, 2018 12:24 pm
Well that escalated quickly...P!N20 wrote:Masi: https://www.steel-vintage.com/masi-spec ... 60s-detail
Toni Redl: https://www.steel-vintage.com/toni-redl ... 969-detail
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Thu May 17, 2018 1:21 pm
I was just browsing that very site !!! I saw the Redl, and the bit I laughed about is that my parents are from Munich, so that would be an apt bike indeed.P!N20 wrote:Masi: https://www.steel-vintage.com/masi-spec ... 60s-detail
Toni Redl: https://www.steel-vintage.com/toni-redl ... 969-detail
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Nice steeds, sooooo many, but outta my price range.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Imwit » Thu May 17, 2018 9:52 pm
This one would be sixties (or maybe 50's)Clydesdale Scot wrote:born too late...
And bikes from that period don't seem to come up for sale. Another rider (born 1963) was interested in doing the same, but nothing appears.
Whether they are still in the garages waiting to be rediscovered, time will tell.
That is way over priced I reckon but they are around.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Fri May 18, 2018 12:33 am
for an unidentified frame with issues, that is extremely optimistic imoImwit wrote:......way over priced I reckon
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Fri May 18, 2018 6:14 am
He disposed of his collection years ago to concentrate on old Porsche's.MichaelB wrote: There was a semi-collector that lived nearby (Rolf something ?) that had one that I liked, but it wasn't for sale at the time - a Poghliagi (spelling ?) - anyway, if someone has something that may suit, let me know.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Fri May 18, 2018 8:02 am
Then again, I may just end up getting something like this from RonK (my size too ....)
Still, bit high for my budget.
Regret letting go of the Cinelli Nuovo SuperCorsa that I owned a while ago
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby P!N20 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:48 am
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Fri May 18, 2018 1:26 pm
And each time, my bank balance doesn't matchP!N20 wrote:^ Every time I see that Chesini I start doing financial calculations in my head.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby WyvernRH » Fri May 18, 2018 10:02 pm
You know these Italian show ponies, while nice, are really no better than a Super Elliott or the like if you are going Aus or some sort of Claud or Holdsworth (or your Fav British Builder Here) except the price tag. In my experience Italian chrome generally falls far short of GB equivalents unless it has been stored really well in the last 50 odd years. Look around for a local frame or GB/French import that some one brought over with them. If you are in SA it seems that you are in a good spotMichaelB wrote:And each time, my bank balance doesn't matchP!N20 wrote:^ Every time I see that Chesini I start doing financial calculations in my head.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby bog1953 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:53 pm
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Sat May 19, 2018 10:34 am
https://www.facebook.com/groups/retrocyclingmarketau/
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Lots of steel bikes » Sun May 20, 2018 4:57 pm
I like it.bog1953 wrote:Oh by the way if there is any body out there who has a De rosa and wants to swap for a Super Elliott, please contact me!
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby WyvernRH » Mon May 21, 2018 7:11 pm
Not intentionally I assure you.bog1953 wrote:I'm sure there are people out there that are trying to bait me.
Hmmm The only time any of the older framebuilders I met in the South East of England went to Italy was when they went there during WWII and often expressed no desire to return. Probably didn't see the place at it's best tho.bog1953 wrote:Then why did some of the most noted frame builders from countries other than Italy, go to Italy as apprentices to learn the art frame building. Others have bought Italian frames and made a living copying them.
You do realise that building a steel bicycle frame is really just advanced plumbing in engineering terms? I have no problem with there being good framebuilders in Italy but the fact remains that there was (and is still) a lot of selling the sizzle not the sausage. Campagnolo is a prime example of this. OK the hubs are pretty good but really they stopped being 'the best' derailleurs as soon as SunTour brought out the slant parallelogram and their brakes were pretty but basically no better than Weinmann sidepulls of the day. Did this stop 'normal' cyclists salivating over their components? Of course not!bog1953 wrote: I don't for a minute suggest that there aren't frame builders from other countries that are great, but there were more passionate and gifted frame builders in italy than any where else.
Might take you up on that. Find me a top of the line Super Elliot with all the flash lugwork, original paint in good condition, forward facing dropouts and original equipment then I'll swap my 'cooking' level De Rosa frame (admittedly probably not made by De Rosa....)bog1953 wrote:Oh by the way if there is any body out there who has a De Rosa and wants to swap for a Super Elliott, please contact me!
Richard
Oh yes and Italians never did go for fancy lugs in a big way.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby bog1953 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:14 pm
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Mon May 21, 2018 10:31 pm
Thanks Richard, now I want sausages...WyvernRH wrote:........ that there was (and is still) a lot of selling the sizzle not the sausage. ....
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby ironhanglider » Mon May 21, 2018 11:22 pm
The bike or the rider?MichaelB wrote:
happy for it to remain in 'original condition' (i.e. rough original patina that is kept, but cleaned up) rather than make it a showroom piece.
Cheers
Michael B
Whatever you get, I think that it'd be good to get some Aus-made stuff on it, Bell saddle, VEW hubs etc. (If they are still of the right period).
Cheers,
Cameron
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby MichaelB » Tue May 22, 2018 9:30 am
ironhanglider wrote: The bike or the rider?
Whatever you get, I think that it'd be good to get some Aus-made stuff on it, Bell saddle, VEW hubs etc. ...
Cameron
If it was me, I'd be falling apart.
Going the route you suggested would take more effort & time (not to mention $$) than I'd be prepared for.
I'll keep my eyes open and see what comes up.
I'll have a look at the Farceberk group that CS mentioned and see what is on there. Ta
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Tinker » Sun May 27, 2018 4:53 pm
If your parents are from Germany get a 1966 Bauer. Might take a bit of time to track down a frame but no where near as expensive as the Italian stuff.MichaelB wrote: I was just browsing that very site !!! I saw the Redl, and the bit I laughed about is that my parents are from Munich, so that would be an apt bike indeed.
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Re: 1966 - what would be a good project ....
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Mon May 28, 2018 9:59 pm
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Holdsworth-M ... SwCeRa-wZX
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