Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:33 pm
It has some lettering that i can't read but tried to photo it below.
Not sure if it is correct for 1950's, does anybody know for sure?
-
- Posts: 720
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:38 pm
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby bicyclepassion » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:52 pm
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:20 pm
The cranks etc... all seem original then, if mine looks half as good as yours when its finished I'll be v.happy.
Thanks
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:47 am
There's a couple of rust bubbles here and there under TT and back of seat stays but the chrome is still holding firm at these spots, so will leave as is, maybe they laid the chrome on thicker back then? Bit of haze/ scratches around top of seat tube, couple of dents in TT. All in all pretty good for an almost 70 yr old machine.
Some old red reflective tape (indicative of a previous life) had gone like concrete so took a while to get off. Emblem has remains of what looks like brown paint which makes sense so gives a direction for future there is also same brown paint towards top of seat tube.
Strangely, although the chrome is surprisingly good the underlying surface of some frame components (Head Tube and lugs mainly) show some pitting and seems 'unfinished' somehow, having said this, i only have experience with 70's/80's chrome frames so thinking techniques improved over the years?
Would be great to hear any feedback from other 'old chrome frame' owners out there on this point.
Cheers all
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:27 pm
Might try the motorcycle mechanic guy down the road next, does work on my old ducati and has a 2 ton bearing press which should get things moving.
- 10speedsemiracer
- Posts: 4904
- Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:38 pm
- Location: Back on the Tools .. when I'm not in the office
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby 10speedsemiracer » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:44 pm
- ldrcycles
- Posts: 9594
- Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:19 pm
- Location: Kin Kin, Queensland
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby ldrcycles » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:23 pm
-
- Posts: 720
- Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:38 pm
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby bicyclepassion » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:37 pm
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:31 pm
Thanks, 20 or so drill bits later and I'm not far from finishing, unfortunately there has been some damage to the crank so I think it will be a new set after all.10speedsemiracer wrote:I hate doing cotter pins but have had to do a few..in the past I had an old ball joint cone or steering knuckle removal tool from the 50s (unknown orugin) which just squished them out but the crank was unusable thereafter. If the crank means nothing to you might be worth a trip to Super cheap. ...
A brooks saddle arrived today, so that cheered me up.
-
- Posts: 3
- Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:20 pm
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby Millfield Velo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:10 pm
https://www.millfieldvelo.com.au/carbine-tricycle/
Early opinions are that it's an original three-wheeler, but i'm looking for more info on age and original decals. Any help from the Carbine experts here would be appreciated!
-
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:29 pm
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby M1carbine » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:33 pm
- P!N20
- Posts: 4047
- Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:50 pm
- Location: Wurundjeri Country
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby P!N20 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:41 pm
Try this:M1carbine wrote:I tried to up load photos of my bike here but was unable to work it out.
http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewt ... =6&t=23303
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon May 03, 2021 6:19 pm
The Carbine was popped in the back of the shed while i worked on a few BMX COVID builds that were getting long in the tooth. (i don't mind putting projects away for a while and taking time thinking about directions for builds etc...)
Back into now, as noted the crankset drive cotter pin wasn't budging so went to the mates 'big press' which sadly deformed the crank without popping the pin (not blaming anyone...), so had to enlist the angle cutter which finally did the job. Turns out the BB spindle (TDC no.9) which i was trying to save, had already succumbed to bearing face fatigue and is unusable. The remainder of the contents of the BB turned out to be ancient dry grease, bearings in various styles of unroundness and metal detritus, i hate to think that someone actually rode it like this.!
These are some of the new parts going towards the build-
1950's GB 'KROMO' Spear Point (to replace the SR Alloy 70's stem that came on the bike)
1972 Brooks Competition lightweight saddle (not 50's but looks the part and will do for now) (replaces the no-name 1970's black vinyl saddle)
Old Stock Gripfast Wing Axle Nuts
New Vee Rubber 28 x 1 3/8
In the mail-
1950's Williams C34 fluted crankset (Same as original but fluted version)
TDC no.9 BB spindle. Cups and cotter pins (same as original)
Old stock chain, looks like it could be 1950's...!
"Old" Raleigh Freewheel to replace Mid 70's S.Y (Japan) item that came with bike
"Old" Raleigh Seat Post nut/bolt in nicer chrome than original.
"Old" Raleigh chrome chain axle holders.
To think about-
Bars are flaky chrome moustaches probably 70's, theyre kinda cool but would like some 50's GB's or Major Taylors or similar in chrome so please let me know if you have something you can sell.
Pedals were Lyotard quills, 60's - 70's and in bad shape so have to go. Looking for something English 1950's in good condition if anybody has something?
Now for the wheels... You may have read how i was looking for period alloys but with a few hrs to kill one Sunday i started sanding the silver spray bomb off one of the rims. Didn't take long to hit metal and what lovely metal it is. The steel is blue burnished and has the hand made 'punch?' marks from the wheel machining process which were filled with bog to make them look smooth. After taking out the filler (big job) you are left with a lovely patination of the original steel rim making process. I have decided to re-use these rims and leave the patern showing. One of the layers of paint was British Racing Green (which kinda makes sense for the mid 50's) so thats the colour I'll go with. I will re-use the original spokes and nipples, could re-paint the spokes in silver to look like galvanised (unless someone can recommend a cheap gal service) and stripping remaining chrome off nipples back to brass.
Original Bayliss hubs seem pretty good after a wipe over and will re-pack before buiding up the wheels.
So the build philosophy is keeping everything original to the bike that is usable but if not able to be resurrected, then the new parts should have been available approx mid 50's, replacing like for like brands as much as possible.
I'm going to add photo's in following posts.
Thanks for reading!
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon May 03, 2021 9:59 pm
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon May 03, 2021 10:03 pm
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon May 03, 2021 10:15 pm
Does it look familiar to anyone?
-
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:17 pm
- Location: Perth, Western Australia
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby Tmuir » Mon May 03, 2021 10:33 pm
They also used to make frame tubing that was popular as it air hardened, so after brazing it was actually stronger rather than tempered like other carbon steel frames.
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Walton_and_Brown
My late 1930/40s Kookaburra bicycle's bottom bracket is Walton & Brown, I know they also made most frame parts, never seen a seat post before though.
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Tue May 04, 2021 9:36 am
I've been looking at that stamping for a long time, trying to decipher what it might be.
Yes, i can see WALTON there now!
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Tue May 04, 2021 9:38 am
I'm going with this unless someone else has a better idea!
Thanks again.
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Tue May 04, 2021 9:59 am
Forks approx 845g
Does this sound about right?
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Wed May 05, 2021 6:20 pm
Crank set arrived today, condition not far off as described.
Description was -
"1950s 48t Williams cottered chrome chainset in Mint condition with fluted 170mm arms and 9/16 pedal threads"
Turns out they are 1962 (ZC code)
Lesson learnt = late night bidding and red wine don't mix...
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Early 1950's
Postby scooter1971 » Wed May 12, 2021 11:05 am
These new cups are a later vintage to the bike, so as the existing ones have pretty good surfaces I'll keep these and just incorporate the new spindle.
- WyvernRH
- Posts: 3186
- Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:41 pm
- Location: Newcastle NSW
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby WyvernRH » Wed May 12, 2021 12:26 pm
You know what, I bet they look exactly the same as a 1950 set except for the letter code.scooter1971 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:20 pmDisappointment.
Crank set arrived today, condition not far off as described.
Description was -
"1950s 48t Williams cottered chrome chainset in Mint condition with fluted 170mm arms and 9/16 pedal threads"
Turns out they are 1962 (ZC code)
Lesson learnt = late night bidding and red wine don't mix...
Williams didn't change stuff often after WWII, it meant investing money in new tooling....
Put a bit of grease over the codes and no-one will know.
Richard
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Mon May 24, 2021 11:02 am
Of course a 'rational' person would just make-do and get on with it!...
-
- Posts: 43
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:41 am
Re: Carbine Resto - Not sure of year?
Postby scooter1971 » Tue May 25, 2021 5:05 pm
Spokes are to be rubbed back, Penetrol'd then Galmet gal spray which is closest i scould find to original galvanised finish. Nipples have now been hand stripped back to brass and will install them like this.
Rims to be Penetrol'd then finished in British Racing Green.
Also...found British Tube Mills Stamping (BTM) under the paint so will try to preserve this. Here's some pics of BTM cycle wheels manufacture from Aussievelos which fits with the patternation on the rims, great to add this provenance and glad I kept them.
The "...high speed, high precision electrical rolling mill..." room!
- General Australian Cycling Topics
- Info / announcements
- Buying a bike / parts
- General Cycling Discussion
- The Bike Shed
- Cycling Health
- Cycling Safety and Advocacy
- Women's Cycling
- Bike & Gear Reviews
- Cycling Trade
- Stolen Bikes
- Bicycle FAQs
- The Market Place
- Member to Member Bike and Gear Sales
- Want to Buy, Group Buy, Swap
- My Bikes or Gear Elsewhere
- Serious Biking
- Audax / Randonneuring
- Retro biking
- Commuting
- MTB
- Recumbents
- Fixed Gear/ Single Speed
- Track
- Electric Bicycles
- Cyclocross and Gravel Grinding
- Dragsters / Lowriders / Cruisers
- Children's Bikes
- Cargo Bikes and Utility Cycling
- Road Racing
- Road Biking
- Training
- Time Trial
- Triathlon
- International and National Tours and Events
- Cycle Touring
- Touring Australia
- Touring Overseas
- Touring Bikes and Equipment
- Australia
- Western Australia
- New South Wales
- Queensland
- South Australia
- Victoria
- ACT
- Tasmania
- Northern Territory
- Country & Regional
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users
- All times are UTC+10:00
- Top
- Delete cookies
About the Australian Cycling Forums
The Australian Cycling Forums is a welcoming community where you can ask questions and talk about the type of bikes and cycling topics you like.
Bicycles Network Australia
Forum Information
Connect with BNA
This website uses affiliate links to retail platforms including ebay, amazon, proviz and ribble.