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Crackdown on Fixies

Postby il padrone » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:08 pm

Will this cruel the "fixie craze"??
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3 August 2010. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is cracking down on the fixie craze, warning of serious safety issues and threatening bike shops with fines of more than $1M.

In its latest bulletin the ACCC, which enforces national consumer safety standards for bikes, says retailers could be selling selling fixed gear bikes that do not comply with mandated safety standards, and that could put riders at risk of death or serious injury.

Fixies were being sold without front and rear brakes, according to the ACCC.....


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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Strawburger » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:17 pm

shock horror! Bicycle stores are selling Track bikes! :wink:

In all seriousness though, shops should be selling these bikes as bikes for the velodrome and not commuters. The ones i visit do but there are probably some out there that don't. But how is a shop to know what the consumer does once it leaves the shop?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby trailgumby » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:34 pm

Drop bars or lowered bullhorns perhaps fair enough, but flatbars? Who races on the velodrome with flatbars? :roll:

I would think any of the many flatbar fixies I see around the CBD would have exposed their retailer to an ACCC action.
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Strawburger » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:37 pm

trailgumby wrote:Drop bars or lowered bullhorns perhaps fair enough, but flatbars? Who races on the velodrome with flatbars? :roll:

I would think any of the many flatbar fixies I see around the CBD would have exposed their retailer to an ACCC action.


I don't think i've seen any flatbar fixies without brakes being sold in a shop. I must get out to see more shops!
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby il padrone » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:58 pm

Yes, you're probably right. Most of the people riding fixies about are probably all doing it themselves, gettiig a bike and modifying it. Seems to be really a part of the culture with them anyway (anti-corporate)
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Parker » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:16 pm

And this

To stamp out the illegal sales the ACCC has asked the public to report any supply of bikes without safety fixtures, such as brakes, reflectors and bells.


Bells.... LMAO
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Lark2004 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:43 pm

I have bells on all my bikes... it's not a big issue really, is it :?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby il padrone » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:04 pm

I think the joke is how many bikes are sold without a bell :lol: . And does it really matter ?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Vivifyer » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:06 pm

pfft bells.. no one listens anyway, I find my voice far more effective.

Agree though, riding fixed with no brakes in the city is a bit silly, mostly because of cars, and peds that dont look.
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby TheSkyMovesSideways » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:22 pm

ACCC wrote:Brake friction pads are securely attached to the backing plate or holder and, when applied, touch only the wheel rim.

Well, that makes almost all mountain bikes illegal. :roll:

ACCC wrote:Protective guards
• For children’s bicycles (with a wheel base of 640–765 mm)—a guard encloses the chain wheel and the upper run of the chain.
• For all other bicycles—the upper junction of the chain and chain wheel has a guard that can only be removed using a tool.

What the hell is a guard of the upper junction of the chain and chain wheel?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:37 pm

The Australian / New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1927:1988 Pedal bicycles — requires:
• At least two brakes are fitted, one on the front wheel and the other on the back.
Is a fixed wheel considered to be a brake?

• Hand brakes are accessible to a rider in the normal riding position.
What is a normal riding position

• The right lever connects to the front brake and the left lever to the rear brake.
What about lefties

• Brake friction pads are securely attached to the backing plate or holder and, when applied, touch only the wheel rim.
So bikes with disk brakes are illegal

• For bicycles with cantilever brakes—a safety device is fitted to prevent the stirrup cable from touching the tyre.
????

• For children’s bicycles (with a wheel base of 640–765 mm)—a back-pedal brake is fitted.
Some of the really small childrens bikes are actually fixies. LOL
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Parker » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:14 pm

Lark2004 wrote:I have bells on all my bikes... it's not a big issue really, is it :?

If its not a big issue, why am I required by law to have one?

I'm a minimalist at heart and a bell on my bike would just look, not so minimalist :mrgreen:
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby familyguy » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:35 pm

Parker wrote:
Lark2004 wrote:I have bells on all my bikes... it's not a big issue really, is it :?

If its not a big issue, why am I required by law to have one?

I'm a minimalist at heart and a bell on my bike would just look, not so minimalist :mrgreen:


No light bracket? Computer mount? Pump? Cage? Valve caps?

Arent bikes meant to be supplied with wheel reflectors as well? And a rear red reflector? There's another angle they can exploit. But if its just sales of bikes with said items, they're all very easily removed. Maybe you can put a picture of a brake on a spoke card...

Better not let Harold get wind of this ACCC action...he'll have a field day.

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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Parker » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:43 pm

familyguy wrote:
Parker wrote:
Lark2004 wrote:I have bells on all my bikes... it's not a big issue really, is it :?

If its not a big issue, why am I required by law to have one?

I'm a minimalist at heart and a bell on my bike would just look, not so minimalist :mrgreen:


No light bracket? Computer mount? Pump? Cage? Valve caps?

I never ride when its dark, computer is mounted on stem and matches, no pump I carry CO2 in my jersey, and 1 cage...

WT? do you need valve caps for?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby brauluver » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:53 pm

Parker wrote:WT? do you need valve caps for?


To cap the valves of course! :wink:
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Parker » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:01 pm

brauluver wrote:
Parker wrote:WT? do you need valve caps for?


To cap the valves of course! :wink:

Oh sure because they're so important to keeping the air in :roll:
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby sblack » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:15 pm

Reading the ACCC Bulletin linked to in the article I see one way around the standards. Under bicycles not required to comply with the mandatory standard is:
One-of-a-kind bicycles—that is, bicycles that are
uniquely constructed to the order of an individual
consumer.


So as long as such bikes are only made available as custom order bikes there is no longer any issue. So how much has to change for a bike to be uniquely constructed to the order of an individual? If I have to specify what pedals I want is that enough?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:46 pm

sblack wrote:Reading the ACCC Bulletin linked to in the article I see one way around the standards. Under bicycles not required to comply with the mandatory standard is:
One-of-a-kind bicycles—that is, bicycles that are
uniquely constructed to the order of an individual
consumer.


So as long as such bikes are only made available as custom order bikes there is no longer any issue. So how much has to change for a bike to be uniquely constructed to the order of an individual? If I have to specify what pedals I want is that enough?


I'd say that'd do it according to the letter of the law if not the spirit.

For bicycles with cantilever brakes—a safety device is fitted to prevent the stirrup cable from touching the tyre.

Yeah, that'd be the reflector bracket.
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:58 pm

Hang on just one frickin' moment!

Just went right thru the ACCC bulletin...
Anybody see the real scary bit? Forget brakeless fixies...

Bicycles not required to comply with the mandatory standard
• Bicycles with a wheel base of less than 640 mm.
• Bicycles that are designed, promoted and supplied
primarily for use in competition such as track racing.
• One-of-a-kind bicycles—that is, bicycles that are
uniquely constructed to the order of an individual
consumer.
• Bicycles that are designed to be hinged or folded, or
to be taken apart beyond removal of the front wheel,
for ease of storage or portability.
Tandem bicycles.
• Power-assisted bicycles.
• Bicycles showing signs of appreciable wear or
second-hand bicycles.
• Recumbent bicycles.
...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby brauluver » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:57 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Hang on just one frickin' moment!

Just went right thru the ACCC bulletin...
Anybody see the real scary bit? Forget brakeless fixies...


• Recumbent bicycles.


Bloody bearded bent riders flouting the laws again.
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:04 pm

:lol:

Where do I fit in?

Bearded but not bent?
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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:24 am

Mulger bill wrote::lol:

Where do I fit in?

Bearded but not bent?


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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby familyguy » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:50 am

Parker wrote: :roll:


Nothin but quality so far...

Mulger bill wrote:Hang on just one frickin' moment!

• Bicycles showing signs of appreciable wear or
second-hand bicycles.



Assemble. Ride around block. Second hand at $1 off. A shop would only need one set of safety devices to swap from bike to bike.

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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby h3ndry » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:20 am

Whoa hang on,

no wait....maybe

oh yeah.....hmm I think I....



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Re: Crackdown on Fixies

Postby Nobody » Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:12 pm

mikesbytes wrote:The Australian / New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 1927:1988 Pedal bicycles — requires:
• At least two brakes are fitted, one on the front wheel and the other on the back.
Is a fixed wheel considered to be a brake?
No.

mikesbytes wrote:• Hand brakes are accessible to a rider in the normal riding position.
What is a normal riding position
Whatever the nice Mr Policeman thinks.

mikesbytes wrote:• The right lever connects to the front brake and the left lever to the rear brake.
What about lefties
Move to the US.

mikesbytes wrote:• Brake friction pads are securely attached to the backing plate or holder and, when applied, touch only the wheel rim.
So bikes with disk brakes are illegal
I think the law is just lagging the new 'cross/commuter/hybrid designs.

mikesbytes wrote:• For bicycles with cantilever brakes—a safety device is fitted to prevent the stirrup cable from touching the tyre.
????
Don't know either. Must be an old law though.

mikesbytes wrote:• For children’s bicycles (with a wheel base of 640–765 mm)—a back-pedal brake is fitted.
Some of the really small childrens bikes are actually fixies. LOL
All my early kids bikes were fixed...cranks on front wheel. :D

I've been told by a bike shop that back-pedal brakes are preferred on small bikes because children don't have the hand strength to use rim brakes.
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